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collywobbles
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 5:49am |
Just make him read through all the posts on this site! That'll do the trick!
But don't discourage him from going to university, or from studying music there. Just make sure he has realistic ideas of the costs and the need to work his little heiny off to meet them. Teach him that he'll need to work at least one job during school to keep his debt-load minimal (and make sure he knows he can't expect financial help from mom, though she supports him and loves him and will always be there for him, I know). And don't discourage him from studying music simply because you worry there's no future in it. I have a friend who has an MFA in Music, and she makes a very good living as a concert pianist. Of course, she's able to do that because she's absurdly talented, but perhaps so is your son!
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1. Pain or discomfort in the abdomen.
2. Nervousness; apprehensiveness.
Etymology: 19c: probably from colic + wobble.
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polyhymnia61
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 7:43am |
"I know! I know!! Ýou don't have to tell me!! You think I'm STUPID or something??? You have NO faith in me!!"
*groan*
I think the only thing to do is say, "Great! I have total faith that you'll succeed. Now, here's an itemized list of what everything will cost for four years. And this is what you will have to pay per month six months after you graduate if your paperwork isn't screwed up."
Said with enthusiasm and a smile.
We'll be talking tomorrow night on the phone...I'll let y'all know how it goes...
Hard enough being a parent without parenting from 6,000 km away...
Poly
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kwelmm
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 9:41am |
Poly,
I laugh nervously reading your post because I all ready am nervous about my kids going to college/university...it's totally absurd on my part as they are only 3 and 6 years old. Nervous because I don't want them to have to deal with the sh** that I have to deal with.
Hopefully, when things get straightened out I and hubby can start putting something away for them.
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 9:56am |
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my kids are 3 and almost 2. the thought of sending them to school keeps me up at night. my mom and her dad started an resp for each of them instead of giving presents for birthdays etc they make deposits to that. best part is the government kicks in 20% and each grandparent gets a tax deduction, and its not an asset that can be touched by anyone since its more like a trust fund. i sure cant contribute right now, but im hoping in the future...
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 10:01am |
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oh and my grandfather just converted part of the resp to a gic that will net the kids an extra few hundred bucks in interest over five years. every little bit helps !!
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collywobbles
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 10:12am |
Oh jeez ... I hope my comments weren't misinterpreted as questioning anyone's parenting skillz (with a 'z', like the kids say) -- they certainly meant that way!
Poly, kwellm, mom, I wish I'd
had parents who were telling me what I was in for taking out $40k in
loans to finance a Philosophy degree! You are absolutely doing
the right and responsible thing in trying to plant the realities your
children will be facing firmly in their minds, and I applaud you all
for it.  I just can't help but
get my back up a little over anything that sounds like "a liberal arts
education is worthless, anything in life that doesn't contribute to the
bottom line is a waste of time and energy". -- I know none of you
would actully endorse that sort of line, but even faint echoes of it
stir me to speak out. Sorry if I spoke too soon.
Anyway, we've probably hijacked this thread enough.
Cheers,
Colly
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2. Nervousness; apprehensiveness.
Etymology: 19c: probably from colic + wobble.
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hunter
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 10:20am |
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Justice
I will have to work harder and pay off my debt. I guess i could afford to pay atleast a hundred dollars a month. My only concern now is if i start paying them off monthly will the interest still grow on each of them? or will the interest stop!
No, the monthly interest will not stop. But at least you will know that you are making the effort to pay back a debt, that you incurred and owe.
Thanks for taking our advice. You will feel better knowing that you are paying it back. At least that is the way that I feel when I pay my student loan every month. I am just paying back the interest, but soon, very soon, I will be able to pay more against the principal.
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polyhymnia61
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Posted: 03/December/2004 at 2:14pm |
Colly...I wasn't insulted at all, just so you know. And no matter HOW much you tell your kids what degrees are "practical" (this year, anyways), they will just look at you as if you have just undergone a frontal lobotomy and do what they want...
I started Uni at a time when an arts degree wasn't a dirty word...and graduated just at a time it became one. And my son? He is an arthead...sigh. His best marks were in languages, fine arts and music.
I wish his grandparents could have helped...my Dad lost his business in the recession of '91...he's turning 74 this month and drives a cab to pay the bills. My son lives with them right now, which is all they can help him with, really.
The "other" grandparents? Oh, they contributed about $250 this year...for the first time since he was born...Both are retired with money. Generous, eh?
Luckily, the ex's wages are finally being garnished for the $37,000 in back child support he owes from 1989...that will help, but...He wants an ARTS DEGREE!!!!!!!!! 
Cross your fingers for me!!!
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Posted: 04/December/2004 at 2:50am |
Colly,
No offense taken and no misinterpretation done. I do have to agree with you about the arts degree not being worthless...I have one in Sociology...has given me great insight into what I do on a daily basis at work. Though, the college education was much more practical for me. Both very useful!!
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Posted: 04/December/2004 at 12:38pm |
I will work 4 jobs at at time to keep my kids off sl, although by that time it probably will not be enough to pay their tuition  With 3 girls. two of them so far very "artsy" I can see it being an issue(fights over the futility of an arts degree that is!).
Its funny but I am embarassed to tell them I owe as much as I do, embarassed that they might find out and think less of me or think that education is useless. But I likely offer the best lesson of all on what NOT to do in order to obtain one. At 10, 5, and 5 months they are too young anyway but my 10 year old is edging up to a point where she would understand...ughhh.
Justice..good for you for taking the advice it was great that you sought it out and if you follow it you will be amazed what a great position you will be in!
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polyhymnia61
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Posted: 05/December/2004 at 12:10am |
Hey, Hunter...maybe encourage them to work their buns off to get scholarships from their university...Not a guarantee they'll get one, but...
Alex always knew from the get-go about my SL problems. Kids are great...they never look down upon you -- they just want to protect mom against the bad guys. Don't worry about that...don't scare them, but use your story as a learning experience.
He IS scared of SL debt...but also 18. They think they are invinsible, you know..."It'll be different for me...I'll get the great job...yadda."
And you can't bring him out of the clouds without him kicking and screaming...
I am consoled by the fact that he is a big talker...but deep down not a big risk taker...
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Posted: 05/December/2004 at 4:38pm |
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I will Poly, absolutely a great idea in regards to the scholarships, its a wonderful thing to accomplish and I think it makes it mean something to them to participate in their education funding.
When I was 20 and university bound no one would have ever convinced me I was wrong so I can understand what you mean when you say your son thinks he is invincible!
Its hard for me to talk to them about it, I am not sure why, but I do know utilizing it as a learning expereince is the way to go, I will have to sit down and have the talk with at least my 10 year old before the collectors start to call!
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Posted: 06/December/2004 at 3:47am |
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Hi Poly:
I was similar to your son when I was graduating high school. I played in a band, and there was nothing anyone in the world could say to make me want to step aside from it.
Perhaps you could do your homework and find a few famous artists who gained a useful education as a backup plan to music. An example you and I can relate to would be Mick Jagger going to the London School of Economics in his youth. Apparently he refused to quit until he knew his band would be successful enough to earn a very good living.
What if you could find a relevant example of someone your son can relate to who did the same – but with education that would lead to gainful employment in this day and age. I don’t know if it would work, but anything is worth trying when it comes to preventing another innocent soul from being eaten away by unmanageable student debt.
Oh, to have adult experience and an 18-year-old’s inspiration…
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Posted: 06/December/2004 at 4:23am |
Not that he hasn't tried...He was in graphic design at Fanshawe this past autumn...and hated it.
Unfortunately, he is like his mum...His best marks were in courses that mean dick in the working world...English...French...Art...Music...Barely passed math -- and science? Don't even go there...
Sigh...It's not like he hasn't thought of this option on his own, blah...coz if anything, my boy thinks too damned much...He just hasn't found a practical major that grabs him...
Fingers crossed... Poly
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Posted: 06/December/2004 at 6:13am |
poly...
my best marks were english french art music and math. i sucked at science and computers. my high school physics mark sucked the big one but i took upgrading and still managed to graduate with honours in civil engineering. you just have to think differently. if hes great at languages, how about a translator ? english teacher ? reporter ? does he like kids ? how about opening an art school for kids since art and music programs are being destroyed in grade school ? working at an art gallery ? offer art classes to beginners ? just a few ideas...
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Posted: 06/December/2004 at 7:58am |
You're preachin' to the choir, missy!! 
Believe me, I've discussed all those options at some point in our research. (Anything to do with kids is definitely NOT an option; he didn't even like them when HE was one...That hasn't changed!)
He's at the age where he knows it all...Eventually, when he become as dumb as the rest of us ( ,) he'll listen to someone who's been there, done that and worn the t-shirt...
He just turned 18 last week...I was an idiot until I was 25...No need to panic yet!
Thanks, mom...
Poly
(and apologies to the really mature 18 year olds out there!)
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Posted: 06/December/2004 at 8:11am |
i figured you'd have run down all the options with him, poly. but hey, maybe he'll be the one who defies the odds and gets a terrific job in the arts. i used to work at the shaw festival so i was surrounded by artsy types all the time. *sigh. the good old days, before student loan debt when i had a job and disposable income...sigh again*. think happy thoughts, he's not in debt yet!
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