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Topic: Depression Posted: 17/February/2005 at 1:26pm |
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How many of us deal with it?
Do you guys think it came before or after the student loan issues? For my self I guess my tendency is to be a bit melancholy...sometimes I think more than act and it gets me into a funk. I did battle a rather serious bout of it and came out sunny side up but fear what CA's will do to me once my IR is up..will it cause a relapse..ect ect..
My first post here was very depressive, thoughts of suicide as a way out are part of an inner dialogue but I would never leave my kids..not even to release my family from my 100 000 yoke.
How many others think this way? Do CA"s make it worse? Does the frustration of the inept multitudes at HRDC, the big banks, NSLC make it worse? My doctor(a very empathetic caring socialist) had offered to stretch my battle with CFS for me to try to make this go away..not gonna happen because I can and would like to work. Anyone else wonder if depression can lead to CFS..fibro..ect thus making us truly ill?
Sigh...
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Posted: 17/February/2005 at 1:40pm |
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I am also a depressive sort. I am also an admitted Drama Queen. Believe
you me, you are not alone. And I do think CAs know this is a posibility
in their "marks" and much of the language they use preys upon the
insecurities we have. Let's just say the CAs don't make things any
better.
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Posted: 17/February/2005 at 1:58pm |
There were days in the beginning...before I found this site....that I thought I had it all together...having a good day...then I get the dreaded call. I talk myself up into a frenzy trying to explain things to an unsympathetic ear to no avail and then I become very emotional. My kids suffer because all I wanted to do was cry...so I would escape to my room and have a good cry. Thankfully, becoming familiar with CA dealings has given me strength to deal with these, hmmm, people. I still have my bad days....when they catch me off guard....but not lately
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Posted: 17/February/2005 at 5:33pm |
i've had bouts of depression since my teens. nothing major, manageable. had PPD after the birth of both my kids, my mood swings were ridiculous, likd of like when my hormones were raging in adolescence. turns out i'm not bipolar or suffering from chonic depression, i have dysthymia, a mood disorder, and my doc figures i've had it all along but noever been properly diagnosed. it makes me tend to get depressed episodes, then i'm ok, it cycles a bit more fluid than being manic depressive.
was diagnosed with Carpal Tunnel ( i see the surgeon next month - ew) shortly after the birth of my second child. complained for 2 years of the same symptoms - recently diagnosed as having fibromyalgia, the doc thinks my CFS is a side effect of the fibro. plus my dysthymia is off the charts lately dealing with my SL crapola. im stressed and feel physically ill lately - he now wants to run more tests for lupus and ms and ibs...along witht he usual regimen of bloodwork to check my thyroid and my blood sugar for there are diabetics and hypoglycemics in my family. did i mention that i'm also obsessive compulsive ? probably why i'm always on the site so much ( sorry mark for being such a pain).
i'm starting to feel like a medical dummy. gee, doc, what the hell else can possibly be wrong with me ? did i mention that i have chemical sensitivities and cam't take most medications ?? the wait list to see the specialist for that one is like 4-6 months long...
truly ill ? i'm there. on a bad day my fibro makes it almost physically impossible to get out of bed. i can't open the fridge - good thing my kids can and that i am so bloody anal i keep all the stuff they like on the low shelves so they can pick what they want. pretty bad when your three year old covers you with his blanket and kisses you better telling you that you need a nap and it'll be ok. the pain has crippled me many times - even slipped a disc in my back last summer and landed in bed for a week after i crawled to the car to go to emerg. childbirth was nothing compared to this and i had to have 2 c-sections after going into labor both times.
alright enough of my whining...next question !
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Posted: 17/February/2005 at 6:15pm |
kwelmm
This board has helped me so much. Having a sense of empowerment(however misguided!) about my affairs has been invaluable. Just the knowledge that I am not "alone" makes it better somehow. I have dealt with frustration(RB is ludicrous) but no CA's yet so I am anxious as to my reaction. A good cry always helps
Momof2 I too have pretty severe carpal(the neurologist had difficulty believing I function in my left hand very well..its numb all the time!!) So I am on my way to surgery as well(of course being in SK that could be in the next ten years!!!
Lupus is terrible because it manifests in so many different ways I truly hope thats not what it is. I had a close friend with lupus and its a very mysterious disease. When I was going through my medical meltdown the doctors tested me for everything from MS to Arthritis and ended up with fibro as the default...
You know what my dear..there are some people that are just more sensitive..to everything from chemicals to others emotions to stress and back again. I believe this causes issues and your body strikes back at you causing aches and pains that range from mild(like mine) to sever like yours. CFS is a bitch the pain/the exhaustion/ but I hope that you find your way out of it. Lets hope the SL's are the first reprieve so that you can concentrate on your health.(By the way you ARE NOT whining...maybe venting but not whining!!)
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Posted: 17/February/2005 at 6:31pm |
thanks hunter2
it seems like the more i go to the doctor the more goes wrong with me which makes it feel like i'm whining. i've always had a very sensitive system ( allergies, perfume, bleach, cleaners, hair products, soap, etc etc etc as well as drug allergies) from childhood, but it seems to be intensifying of late. i wish my doc could remove the smeller from my nose so i could enjoy one lousy trip to the grocery store without feeling like i could hurl from the olives at the deli or the bombardment from the sealed containers in the houshold products aisle or someone's perfume...
as for the carpal - i know what you mean. do you get those sharp nasty pains from your shoulder to the tips of your fingers that wakes you from your sleep ? first time it happened i though i was having a stroke, i kid you not. apparently it has also made me cry in my sleep. feel free to email me if you want someone to vent with.
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 1:02am |
One problem I had was high anxiety over what to do next, trying to better things, driven by the fear of making the situation worse. And it was such that it was paralyzing. I did not make any move for fear of falling deeper in the hole. For example, do I settle for an entry-level position, hoping for an eventual promotion, and make my payments not knowing if I'll be able to clothe and feed my kids properly in the meantime? And if I don't, then doesn't this hinder my chances at a truly decent career in the long run? It lead to a whole lot of anguish of the sort. And of course, all accompanied by the constant mind-numbing stress one can imagine. And that is just one angle that could mirror what others are going through, judging from what I've read so far.
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 5:30am |
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Prior to having contacting Johnny, I would say my problem with the panic and anxiety attacks at work with the collectors calling me all the time.
I would get scared and all panicky when I would answer the phone and it would be a private number or I would not recognize the number. The thought of the phone ringing would send me into this panic where at times I could not breathe. Several times I would have to drive myself to the Emergency room, as I seriously thought I was going to die. It was not a good feeling.
But I got rid of the abusive boyfriend back then and that seemed to help.
Johnny dealt with the rest.
Right now, I am feeling panicky again, as I have not made my payments to HRDC for January, as I had $ 500 in utility bills. I am scared to call them, but I know I should.
But things will work out in the end.
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 6:11am |
I hear a lot of good of Johnny. And I've read some encouraging types of deals having been reached leading to an happy ending where all parties are reasonably satisfied. Well, in my case, certainly there are scenarios that would be better than bankrupty. Say I pay back a fraction, like a third of the whole (or half of the capital, since this change in policy over interest occured way after I had contracted the bulk of what I owe), over fifteen years, something like that. That sounds bearable.
Sure I could go for that, if and only if my line of credit is restored in full upon my full compliance with said agreement. Sadly, I doubt that is possible in a province without a debt reduction program. But what do I know?
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 6:28am |
lugarou
Missed your post at first sorry! Its funny how having kids slowly sucks the drama queen right out of you(I have three girls all little DQ's in their own right!) But I remember a conversation with a CA several years ago where I spazzed..screaming, yelling, crying over my SL debt. I freaked out so badly the CA actually said "I am never calling you again" that whole DQ thing can work to your advantage I horrified that CA...Sigh I don't think I have it in me anymore though!
Momof2..I am sorry that life is hard for you right now. I totally empathize with what you are saying. I don't have the issue with hypersensitivity and imagine its very trying. My Carpal was much more painful during pregnancy..now its just numb all the time(nerve damage is so lovely!!!) But at least its not in my right hand because that would render me somewhat incapacitated in my current position as all around child caretaker/cook/dishwasher/laundress/dog walker...to bad they are all unpaid postions!!!
pretzel_logic
I understand what you are saying. Its like a foggy delirium and its so hard to know whats right. Right now I am not sure what to do..do I take any job I can find? Do I go back to school for my ed degree? Do I babysit so that I can pay back a little money? Its just tough tough. Especially with the potential for change that I believe is on the horizon...
hunter..anxiety attacks are horrifying, I have only ever had one and literally thought I was going to die. It must have been terrible for you to have to undergo that while trying to work. Its a cycle isn't it? I know you will call them and feel so much better afterwards its just a matter of building up the courage!! It will work out for all of us...I hope!
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 6:53am |
I can't say I would have been diagnosed as clinically depressed...it was more situational. I had a lot of dreams for my son and I after the divorce. And they all went up in smoke. In addition, the lack of support from my so-called friends university just made things worse. They refused to believe it could be that bad...made lame comments like, "Oh, it will get better," got married and disappeared into suburbia to breed and accumulate assets...and just stopped returning my phone messages, even though I had given up discussing my situation totally, trying so hard not to be a "downer."
It's lonely enough going through this crap. Even more lonely when you're middle-aged and all your peers did the financial struggling thang years earlier. Thank god I had one rebellious divorcee girlfriend and one long-distance boyfriend who was a life-long struggling musician. They've kept me sane...and hopeful...
Hunter2...I laughed about your DQ comments...I am proud to say that I am an unrepentant DQ. More collection agents have hung up on me than visa versa!!!!
My motto: When in doubt, freak out.
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 7:20am |
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Poly...looks like I may have to go looking for my inner DramaQueen to fend off the future CA phone calls(IR is up in June!) )I am going to have to make that my CA motto I think..when in doubt freak out...love it.
It takes difficult situations to conjur up the truth about friends. When I became a single mom most of my "buddies" went up in smoke. In my experience my male friends stuck it out while my women friends pissed off(although my guy buds disappeared when I or they got married..go figure!!).Its a kicker though. You seems so generally good humoured its hard to imagine friends thinking you were a downer. Thank God for true ones.
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Posted: 18/February/2005 at 10:23am |
Not a downer, I think. Just scary. I was their worst nightmare: single mom, poor, no hope for the future. They just couldn't handle that they knew someone like that. It's like if it happened to someone they know, it could happen to them...like a contagious disease...
Human nature...*shrug*
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Posted: 26/February/2005 at 3:35pm |
Stress can indeed cause many symptoms you are speaking of. Stress
is the cause of most illness. We struggle, our defenses are lowered,
and nasty disease is the result. Fibro, lupus, cancer....
It's hard for us sensitive ones to not take the world upon our
shoulders, and to not believe we are the scum we are being told we
are. I found the best way for me to deal with stress, illness, and
depression was to take control of my life and expose myself to only
positive things and people.
As far as SL goes, it was a MAJOR stressor until I realized that if
there truly was anything the CAs could do, like squeeze blood from
stone, they would be doing it rather than making harassing phone
calls.
Your health comes first. Not that I am recommending this course of
action, but if you are on the verge of meltdown there is a possibility
for those calls. 3 words & one sound - "So sue me." Click.
New phone number. Not at this address on the mail. Get well, and
then deal with the SL. Remember, your health comes first. As my
father told me in a very difficult moment "There is no debtor's
prison." This is Canada, not a fascist dictatorship - as much as the
CAs try to make us believe that, we have rights. As long as I'm
not in jail, I'm happy!
So put your health and your family first. Live for the moment,
give yourself a  and think positive.
"Life consists in what a person is thinking of all day."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Posted: 26/February/2005 at 9:00pm |
Depression for me has a vicious-circle connection with my student loans. A few years ago I was diagnosed with depression and CFS. Drugs and psychiatry have done nothing and I am no better than I was five years ago.
As a result of this illness, I've found it difficult to think about a career. The thought of working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for the rest of my life....this completely terrifies me. I do it when I have to, and have worked successfully, but never for very long. Instead I repeatedly break down and return to school as an "escape" from the 9-5 working life. I have always done well in school, and the schedule is mostly flexible which means I can sleep when I need to, and do school work when I'm able to.
I am currently in college doing an 8-month program (not on student loan, thank god). I don't particularly like it, and am not looking forward to the new career that it offers (it bores me, not challenging at all). But I had a nervous breakdown in my last job and had to get out somehow. It was a really great job, the one I had dreamed about, but I nearly killed myself from exhaustion and stress of working 40 hours a week, and going to college was a way out. Seems pathetic to me, not the smartest way to handle things. As a result of this pattern of escaping to school, I also have a BA in French, a BA in Anthropology, and half an MA. Of course, I ended up with $40,000 in student loans. Thinking about my debt does little to help my depression.
I am pretty unhappy with the way I have lived my life thus far. So much university, and now I'm in college, living in my aunt and uncle's basement at the age of 30. I have hardly any work experience because I've been "hiding" in school most of my life. My degrees have proved to be nearly useless, not because they are useless in themselves, but because I don't seem to have the energy or guts to put them into action and find a decent long term career. I seem to quit everything I do out of sheer exhaustion.
On top of all this, I have bad self-esteem issues....I figure that with all my schooling and my supposed "brains" I should have a decent, respected, interesting, well-paying career by now. But I'm an unemployed boring nobody, while most of my friends have gone on to get the jobs that I wanted. I try not to care, but it really gets me down.
Now I have decided that enough is enough...I simply cannot go back to school again after this, it's time to smarten up. But I am scared. How will I do this 9-5 thing for the rest of my life? How do other people do it? They make it look so easy. Depression and CFS are real buggers. Most people don't even acknowledge them as illnesses, they think I'll "get over it" and cheer up one of these days. Sometimes (actually most of the time) I even tell myself to get over it, stop being such a baby and just get to work like everyone else. But I'm so tired.
I am faced with the end of my college program in 2 months, and this is when my new working life will start....I am looking forward to the paycheques (so are the student loan people, I'm sure), but I am absolutely terrified that I won't last more than a year or two, if that. Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I just crazy?
I recently received the shocking news that I am in default for an $11,000 loan that I didn't know I had. This has not helped my situation at all. But thanks to all of you guys on this forum, I have not felt alone and it's been something I can definitely deal with. Thank you everyone for being here! Sorry for rambling about myself, just wanted to talk out loud. 
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Posted: 26/February/2005 at 11:27pm |
That's what we're here for...
Not to minimize your health problems, nor the difficulty of pulling this off, but my gut instinct is to urge you to avoid thinking of the big picture -- the "rest of my life!" You may be less overwhelmed if you try not to think past getting through one day at a time. Set mini-goals and reward yourself when you accomplish them. Or work towards the reward; try not to think of your job as your life, but as the tool to get you something you really want...
Another thought...is 9 to 5 all there is? Have you any talents or skills that you could utilize as a freelancer?
I know none of these suggestions is easy to do, nor do I assume they are workable...I've just been forced over the years to rethink how I live my life, because I haven't been able to conform to confines of the status quo...Graduation, 9 to 5 job, marriage, house, blablabla...
Keep in touch.
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Posted: 27/February/2005 at 1:24am |
"I recently received the shocking news that I am in default for an $11,000 loan that I didn't know I had."
Part of my freshman years are a little hazy too. 
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Posted: 27/February/2005 at 1:55am |
Seriously you guys bring up a good point that is not talked about very much: the fact that most these loans were contracted with KIDS, people still unclear about their way in life and more prone to make bad decisions. Spurred on by the government, banks lent kids money, no questions asked, and at a shylock rate of interest.
If there is a sorry situation that arose from this practice of theirs, why would the banks and governement be cleared of their responsability in it? No, instead the kid goes underground for ten years, living day to day, in relative exclusion. And of course they don't show up anymore on bankruptcy stats.
Forget brain drain, I've been brain framed. Because while I was in the process of studying, involved in a thesis and heavily indebted, the rules changed on loans. And even in that great game of monopoly they call life that remains cheating. You don't change the rules in the middle of the game, because there are such things as "progressively implementable measures" to remedy a failed system.
What is the savagery for? ten years, I mean... overnight.
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Posted: 27/February/2005 at 2:38am |
I've said this before...They expect 17 and 18 year olds to take responsibility to what amounts to a small mortgage when they are barely past the allowance stage.
Yet their parents get their hands held every step of their application for a mortgage, an investment...How are the parents supposed to help or realize how much is dumped on an inexperienced kid's lap? Mom and dad may have had student loans, but they remember a very different system 20 or more years ago...How are they supposed to understand how things have changed?
It's almost as if this system was purposely planned in anticipation that most people will mess up...So that the governments and the banks can ensure that they make a profit and make it worth their while.
Like I've said so many times...If a banker with 11 years experience can't avoid the crap, how can the average student?
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Posted: 27/February/2005 at 3:12am |
Yes, well put. And a banker with experience always has the advantage of the market rules not changing on him in the middle of a serious investment.
For sure, they could have been much kinder gentler. They could have discriminated between the students already in a load of debt at the time of their reform and those just coming into the system, those made properly aware of the new stringent rules regarding their investment in their own education beforehand. But no, they had to resort to the ten-year rule and changes in policy regarding interest across the board, no matter what. And that amounted to cruel and unusual punishment in many cases.
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