This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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 Steve is an inspiring and intelligent man, indeed. He is doing very well I hear.  

 The KCWP was considered the 11th commandment to CBC. I am sure that it still is to this day. That is one thing that was both refreshing and comforting at the HRDC level - knowing that the agency had CSL on a "Key Client Work Plan". It sounded good when it was introduced back when the electronic world took flight- and the agency got rid of accounts written up on recipe cards.

Re Class Action Suit ... Let's look at the issues at hand and discern the signs of the times....  

It is no secret that in some cases collectors break the rules, as you and I both know. When rules get broken, the first obstacle is the debtor's proof. The second obstacle is credibility. The third obstacle is the notelines on the debtor's file at the agency. The fourth obstacle being the fact that it is difficult to try a case for wrong-doing by a collector unless the misconduct or action violates the letter of the law - together with all of the provincial rules (CAA)

 As we touched on earlier, collectors know better than to incriminate themselves by entering notes explaining what they did when a breech in directives or law has occured. The last thing a collecotr is going to type in the notelines is,

"Called debtor at their place of employment. Spoke with debtor's employer and advised him/her that I am calling from HRSDC and notifying him/her of incoming execution order for a debt owing to the Crown. By the way, may I speak with Mr. Debtor please so we can try to work this out? "...

 Unless there is physical evidence that this type or racket had occured, there is no real case. It is a case of he said - she said and it gets tossed. In the eyes of creditors, collection agencies, litigating attorneys on behalf of a lender, etc.etc.etc. have no credibility and are often described as "individuals who do not want to pay their debt". They also say that the reason they are involved is for that very reason. 

 Most complaints are cases of he said - she said. However, The Crown is the one group that does take complaints more seriously than any other student loan lender. They are completely protected, mind you, but they do take things more seriusly.

 Prognosis:

 A class action suit better contain proof of the obstruction of justice and misconduct. Saying that a collector called my neighbor and left a "detailed" message for me is not going to win a case. Prove that the law was broken and you got a winning case. Tran did.

 I have physical proof that rules tend to be broken. I record every conversation I have with any offending sector on behalf of my clients.

 The way to go about a class action suit is a DEMAND for change. This will apply pressure on those that govern their industry (The provincial gov.) to ensure that policy is adhered to - and that they follow the letter of the law. 

 Now you know why I said that the suit will involve government at some level. The recipe for success is to demand change, and force the powers that be to make it happen.

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Well since everyone has been so helpful and nice to me I thought I'd post a little update.  I have contacted the CIBC Customer Care people and they say they are investigating into why my loans are not in interest free status or what happened to the enrolment forms or whatever.  I told them I wanted the loans returned to the CIBC.  ANyway, they are apparently doing this.  I"m not too sure how long to wait to hear from them.  I think the website says it can take up to 5 days but who knows.  Meanwhile Collectcorp continued calling up to Monday and I did not return their calls.  I have not recieved any calls at all today.  WHo knows why...I'm sure they are just gathering strength to unleash some new evil upon me.  We'll see.  Anyway, thanks again to everyone for the advice.
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hey mesonic....

Glad to hear that your loan is going back to the bank...way to get on top of things.... !!!!

Good Luck in the future...   Keep on top of those loans... and don't let them screw you around from here.  I only wish I knew then what I know now....

silence is a form of fear...fear of the unknown...has kept me silent too long
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Well we'll see if it actually happens.  I've been told by the CIBC that they are doing things before that never happened.  If I don't get satisfaction from these Customer Care people I guess I'll have to go to the Ombudsman.  
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Well predictably the CIBC has says screw you again.  They are now saying they won't take the loans back to the CIBC and that "since I indicated an intention to repay them (?????) I would have to contact Collectcorp and the provinicial government.  Pardon my language but "F" them I will not deal with Collectcorp.  I will not be abused and threatened when I did nothing wrong.  I will not have my life ruined by the CIBC.  I can't afford bad credit right now since I need money to pay off my school before I graduate.  I"ll be damned if I allow the CIBC to ruin many years of very hard work.  I'm taking this to the Ombudsman. 
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Are we talking about Miss Bowen-Edwards?  She's my good buddy too.  Don't take any crap from her, Mesonic!!!!!  I was foolish enough to let her get to me at one point, but no more!

I feel especially bad for your situation, Mesonic, because it's yet another example of paperwork lost by the bank or related organization which I've read so much about on this website.

You have to talk to these Collectcorp people like YOU'RE in charge, not them - because you ARE in charge.  I even tried to be nice, but every time I offered them more (money, information, time on the phone, etc.) they only used it against me.

Be relentless with CIBC because yours is a case that deserves to be back with the bank.  I LOVE the idea of only calling Collectcorp after business hours and then being unavailable to take calls from them during the day.   I've never tried anything quite so daring, but I can tell you from personal experience that laughing at them on the phone really gets under their skin.

 

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Oh isn't that Ms. Edwards the worst!  I really hate her.  I also dealt with some awful creature named Mr. Bersuchi.  He was awful too.  I also tried being nice when I talked to them.  I tried to explain my situation but they just mocked me.  I am not going to deal with them anymore.  I will leave messages for them and inform them of what I'm doing so they can't say I'm ignoring them or whatever but other than that I will not let those **** get me on the phone again.  What is the point.  I am not voluntarily going to put myself in the position of having abuse hurled at me.  The fact remains that I am a full time student and as such I shouldn't be in collection and regardless i don't have the money to pay them.  They can't get blood from a stone.  I have nothing.  I can't even pay off what I owe the school for tuition becuase of the CIBC's refusal to help me and my ensuing bad credit.  Its a huge mess.  I will continue my attempts with the CIBC but I'm not sure if I'm going to get anywhere...thanks for the encouragement though.

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