This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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I DO NOT think you should go bankrupt. It is ultimately your choice, however. There is nothing that the student loans can attach to your fella in any way.

I might be able to help you restore some of your faith in security. Consult with me. I will help you if need be.

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2Laurel,

Laurel what is the likihood if I file for banko now and in 2years they change the limitation from 10yrs to 5yrs for student loans that i can apply retroactive to have them included. It was 5 years for me this past august.I cannot stand waiting for the legislation to change and prolonging my life without any credit.
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 I can't see how bankruptcy is going to help you get credit.

 As for the student loan and bankruptcy issues ... don't count on this helping if it is perceived by the bench - and the Crown -  that a bankrupt can pay their student loans. The Crown has a great amount of influence as to whether or not their valued investments will be paid or forgiven.  

 So, if a person: a) is perceived as gainfully employed, b) is benefitting from their education, c) has filed a bankruptcy assignment with the intent to disolve student loans only; with no consumer debt associated with the assignment, d) is employable based on their level of education, don't count on having a student loan discharged.

 Laurel works in the bankruptcy and insolvency environment. She is certainly the best to talk with about bankruptcy. She can also explain how the oposition works - and so can I.

      

 

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I was told by Equifax Canada that they keep Bankruptcy on file for 6 years after discharge but the American Agency Trans Union says they keep it for 7 years after discharge.

 

I live in Ontario anyone know who is right here?

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I am an advocate for folks with SL problems.  I need to know if anyone is experiencing the following problem:

A student declared bankruptcy 10 years after being a full-time student. Last attendance was March 2, 1993. She filed March 17, 2003. Trustee was Price Waterhouse. Her SL was not discharged because she filed 2 weeks too early.  Had she waited until April 1, it would have been released.

HRSD/CSL policy is to extend the date to the end of the month regardless of when the student withdrew within that month. Canada Student Loans Act clearly states this.

Price Waterhouse won't take responsiblity and re-do the banckruptcy properly because they failed to inform client. They argue HRSD is applying an interpretation of the Act only.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

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Can you please explain what you mean by this?

"I am an advocate for folks with SL problems." 

And if you are an advocate for folks with student loan issues please provide some details such as, website or company name contact info, etc.

Sorry I dont mean to sound suspicious but we get all kinds of people on CSD.com for less than honorable reasons.

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Yesss...we have collection agents pretending to be grads and all kinds of lovely posers. And our chain has been jerked by the banks, the government, you name it, that we've understandedly become rather cynical...But as an advocate, you probably know that already...

Do you have a business set up? A website? Hell! Welcome! We can use all the help we can get!!

 

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(which of course, doesn't answer your question, but that's a new one...maybe Johnny or 2Laural know?)

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 Lefty,

 What you are describing is something that is a very common occurence for some who have made assignements into bankruptcy that were nearing (within the proximity of 68 months) the 1998 BIA ammendment.  

  When the BIA ammendment had taken place, it was absolute chaos. Bankruptcy trustees were becoming flooded with calls from previous bankrupts who once thought that their studen loans were discharged. The bankruptcy groups had told people this previously only to find out that the changes would put the Ki-bosh on the process of discharging student loans.

 Lastly, of course the bankruptcy trustee won't re-do the bankruptcy. It has been filed, heard, and either discharged. why would they? Their job was done which was to bankrupt the debtor. They are certainly not going to accept responsibility for any wrong-doing. They did their job.

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 ... 6 months.. not 68 months. Sorry for the typo.

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Hi all

A site that you may want to check out for Ontario student loans ishttp://www.bankruptcy-ontario.org/canada_student_loan.htm

Also for other means try this

Debt Management Plan

A debt management plan is a service provided by the Ontario Association of Credit Counselors. These are non-profit agencies created to help individuals experiencing financial distress.

The concept behind a debt management plan is this: you can afford to make a monthly payment, you just need some help negotiating with your creditors and a little breathing space to get back on top of things.

Debt management plans are best suited to persons with a limited number of creditors (5 or less) and under $5,000 in debts. The advantages of a debt management plan are:

  • Maximum period to repay is 4 years;
  • Interest relief may be possible; and
  • Some debt may be forgiven.

A debt management plan is not a legal procedure - it is a voluntary agreement between you and your creditors. As such, a debt management plan does not need to include all of your creditors, nor is it binding on your creditors. A debt management plan also does not have the ability to automatically stop a garnishment order - the creditor must agree to lift the garnishment.

If you need a legal binding term try

What is a "consumer proposal?"

The concept behind a consumer proposal to creditors is similar to a Debt Management Plan: you can afford to repay a portion (or all) of your debts; you simply need more time to pay.

Unlike a Debt Management Plan, a consumer proposal to creditors is a legally binding procedure that is administered for the courts by a licensed trustee in bankruptcy.

Proposals to creditors are best suited to persons with debts in excess of $5,000 (to a maximum of $75,000), who have the ability to repay a portion of their debt. The advantages of a consumer proposal are:

  • Maximum period is 5 years;
  • If accepted by a majority of your creditors (50% +1) it is deemed to be accepted by ALL of your creditors;
  • Interest is frozen at the date you file;
  • You can negotiate to repay only a portion of the debt you owe;
  • Your creditors are "stayed" (restricted) from taking any legal action against you; and
  • Wage garnishments (except for support and alimony) are immediately stopped.

Proposals to creditors were created to provide people with an alternative to bankruptcy. If you are in financial trouble and you have the ability to repay a portion of your debt, perhaps a consumer proposal to creditors is the right solution for you.

Once you file a proposal, none of your unsecured creditors can garnish your wages or take you to court until the proposal has been dealt with. In fact, if your wages are being garnished and you file a consumer proposal, the garnishment will stop.

In addition, when you file a proposal to creditors, all of your unsecured debts are frozen and no more interest accumulates against them.

How does a consumer proposal work?

First, a trustee in bankruptcy will help you summarize your financial situation and determine how much of a monthly payment you can afford to make. Then, they’ll compare that payment to the total amount of your unsecured debt to determine how many months you will be required to pay. If the numbers appear reasonable for both you and your creditors, the trustee will prepare the documents necessary to file a proposal to creditors.

Is that all it takes to present a consumer proposal?

That’s the end of the first stage. The second stage is up to your creditors. Under the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act ("BIA") your creditors have 45 days to vote for or against your proposal. If a simple majority (50 % +1) vote for your proposal then it is deemed to be accepted by ALL of your creditors. Fifteen days after that, if there are no objections, your proposal will be approved by the Court. From that date forward, both you and your creditors are locked into the terms of the proposal.

What if my creditors vote "no" to my personal proposal?

If 25 % or more of your creditors vote against accepting your proposal, your trustee will call a meeting of creditors. At that meeting (which you must attend) the trustee will help you negotiate with your creditors in an attempt to find an agreement that both you and the creditors find acceptable.

Here’s an example:

"You have debts totaling $25,000. After you pay all of your living expenses (rent, utilities, groceries, etc.) you have $500 left to pay bills. You want to leave yourself a bit of a "buffer" for unexpected expenses (like car repairs) so you think you can afford to make a payment of $350/month towards a proposal."

Generally, the threshold that creditors consider reasonable is an offer to repay at least 50% of the amount that you owe. In the example above, that would be $12,500. With a payment of $350 per month it would take you 36 months to pay that amount, so that’s probably the proposal to creditors that you would offer (36 monthly payments of $350/month).

If you could only pay $250 a month, then it would take you 50 months to pay $12,500. If you could pay $400 per month, then if would take you 32 months to pay $12,500.

Keep in mind that this is only an example. Your creditors might accept less than 50% or they may ask for more. Each consumer proposal is different and has to be considered on its own merits.

Which debts can I include in my proposal to creditors?

Consumer proposals to creditors were created to deal with unsecured debt. An unsecured debt is money owed without collateral. Some examples of unsecured debt include:

The other type of credit that people usually have is called secured debt. Secured debt is money that was borrowed with a condition that if you fail to make your payments one (or more) of your possessions may be seized and sold by the secured creditor. Some example of secured debt include:

  • Mortgage
  • Car loan/lease
  • Financing contract

In most cases, secured creditors are excluded from your proposal. The exception: if you owe a secured creditor more than the value of the item they hold security over. For example:

"One of your creditors is Acme Finance. You owe Acme $2,500 and they hold security over your stereo system, with a current value $1,500."

Acme is both a secured ($1,500 for the stereo) and an unsecured creditor ($2,500 - $1,500 = $1,000). Under the terms of the proposal, you will have to make an arrangement to pay Acme the $1,500 that they are entitled to (the value of their security) or give them the security (your stereo). The other $1,000 that Acme is owed will get lumped together with all of your other unsecured debts.

Can’t I just leave a creditor out of the personal proposal?

No. If you file a proposal to creditors, you are required to include all of your unsecured creditors. That goes for family and friends too. All of your unsecured creditors must be treated the same - it’s one of the basic conditions of filing a consumer proposal.

What happens if I miss a payment on my consumer proposal?

Over the life of a consumer proposal you may miss up to 2 payments and the trustee will simply add two more payments to the end of the proposal.

However, if you miss 3 payments the proposal to creditors collapses and is annulled by the Court. If your proposal is annulled, your unsecured creditors may immediately apply to the court to garnish your wages and interest charges are applied to your debts back to the day that you filed your consumer or personal proposal.

Once you file a proposal to creditors, if you start to run into payment problems, contact your trustee immediately.

How does a consumer proposal affect my credit rating?

As soon as you file a proposal to creditors your credit rating will be revised to either an R7 (paid through a consolidation order, consumer proposal or credit counseling debt management program) or an R9 (bad debt or placed for collection or bankruptcy)and it will probably remain at this rating until the proposal is completed. In addition, after you complete the proposal, a note will appear in your credit record for up to 7 years from the date that you filed the proposal to collectors.

What does a proposal to creditors cost?

The trustee’s fees are set by the Superintendent of Bankruptcy and are described in the BIA. In most cases, your trustee will be paid out of the proceeds of the proposal. Using our earlier example, if you offered your creditors 36 payments of $350 to retire $25,000 worth of debt, your total payments would be $12,600. The fees for the proposal would come out of that amount.

I think I might be a candidate for a consumer proposal, what do I do now?

If you are experiencing financial difficulty, we recommend you make an appointment to see a trustee team to discuss whether a consumer proposal is an alternative to bankruptcy in your situation.

I do not work for any trustee and my 10 years is almost up.  I have paid off my Canada Student Loan but still owe almost 4,000 on my Ontario Student Loan and had done the above to stop the 28% interest that the collection agency was  charging me and on top of that wanted to garinshee my wages, as a single parent with an ex who refuses to pay child support and is self employed I needed to do something.  By the time my 5 years is up my loan will have reached the 10 year time line for discharge- not that it will do me much good but I will be debt free.  Because it was my only debt (student Loan) Bancruptcy was not really an option.  Good Luck to all



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"What does a proposal to creditors cost?

The trustee’s fees are set by the Superintendent of Bankruptcy and are described in the BIA. In most cases, your trustee will be paid out of the proceeds of the proposal. Using our earlier example, if you offered your creditors 36 payments of $350 to retire $25,000 worth of debt, your total payments would be $12,600. The fees for the proposal would come out of that amount."

 The trustee earns a greater return and profit from a consumer proposal than traditional bankruptcy. The fees for a consumer proposal are a certain fee up front which has been known to be approximately $2000.00 PLUS you have to pay the trustee 20% of what your monthly payment is - or any lump sum to be offered to your creditors.

 In the example you have provided, the trustee would earn the initial fees PLUS a total of $2520.00 from the 36-month amortization period. The trustee would earn more than $4000.00 in total.

 This is ridiculous.

  "I think I might be a candidate for a consumer proposal, what do I do now?

If you are experiencing financial difficulty, we recommend you make an appointment to see a trustee team to discuss whether a consumer proposal is an alternative to bankruptcy in your situation.

I do not work for any trustee and my 10 years is almost up.  I have paid off my Canada Student Loan but still owe almost 4,000 on my Ontario Student Loan and had done the above to stop the 28% interest that the collection agency was  charging me and on top of that wanted to garinshee my wages, as a single parent with an ex who refuses to pay child support and is self employed I needed to do something.  By the time my 5 years is up my loan will have reached the 10 year time line for discharge- not that it will do me much good but I will be debt free.  Because it was my only debt (student Loan) Bancruptcy was not really an option. "

 1) Collection agencies do not charge interest. The creditor (their client) does in the event the agreement stipulates that interest will continue to accrue if a default occurs.

 2) The 28% interest rate was not part of any student loan. That would be more relevent to Crappy Tire, The Bay, Zellers, and high-risk financae company loans.

 3) Do you realize that there is absolutely no avenue of execution against you from what you have described your situation as? YOu are a single mom, self-employed, and obvioulsy not earning enough to meet your basic needs. You could have easily filed to have your pr5ovincial and Federal guaranteed loans placed on short-term disability by filing the standard kit which includes a financial questionaire and substantiation forms. The agency and HRDC would remove your account for 6 months at a time until you are able to commence a payment. As for your consumer debt, there still is no avenue of exzecution thus making you judgment proof in a great sense. There is absolutely nothing to attach from wehat you are describing. did the trustee tell you any of this highly enlightening and empowering information so you wouldn't have to file a proposal in bankruptcy? I thought not.

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Bankruptcy Issue....My story

I got my degree in 1993, in 1995 I went back to University to take some
more courses (mostly because I wasn't getting jobs) and took out more
student loans...
In December 1995 I withdrew from January to April courses to go to work.
Sometime in 1997 I went through problems many people on here did, I
applied for Interest Relief, they lost the forms and wanted all 20,000 of
my loan. So....after much thought and debate I applied for bankruptcy.
The bankruptcy was applied for in Feb 1998 (2 years and 2 months after I
finished school in December 1995)., this was when the 2 year rule was in
effect.
Fine, discharged from everything in November 1998.
Now fast forward to August 2002, almost 5 years after initial bankruptcy I
get a letter from Revenue Canada saying they will be taking my returns to
pay a said Student loan debt. I get a form letter from HRDC with a number
to call and you have to leave all your personal information so someone
can call you back. I talked to one person and they are saying I was in
school Jan to April (even though I wasn't in the same province!) and so
there wasn't two years before I applied for bankruptcy so the bankruptcy
doesn't hold for the student loans.
I have not submitted any tax returns for the last few years. I was told by
one person there that they cannot keep my return for the debt if I make
under a certain amount a year.
I probably qualify because I had been sick for the last two years and I do
work part time but make under 10,000 a year.
I really could use the extra money from my returns ( I would get money
back plus gst), but as it stands right now, no one is bothering me for the
loan, no collection agencies etc.
I did get several letters from different people at the university to show I
was not in attendance and I forwarded those letters but I didn't get any
replies and the lien is still on my taxes.
Oh, and the trustee was a jerk, to say the least.

1) I'm wondering whether I should file my taxes or leave it alone. How
many years can I not file returns?
Anyone have comments?
2) Anyone else have this happen?

I know this is long but I think all these stories are so complex and are
almost a novella in length to explain.

Thanks...
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 1) You should refer to the Income Tax Act for advice on that matter.

 What you have descirbed is something I have heard on severla occaisions, yes.

 

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