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Topic: Newfoundland paper quotes CanadaStudentDebt
Posted By: frustrated-guy
Subject: Newfoundland paper quotes CanadaStudentDebt
Date Posted: 29/March/2007 at 4:09am
http://www.thecoaster.ca/index.cfm?iid=2412&sid=20216 - http://www.thecoaster.ca/index.cfm?iid=2412&sid=20216
 
This editorial in a Newfoundland paper quotes the Canada Student Debt site  but got the address wrong stating canadastudendebt.com instead of canadastudendebt.ca.
 
Unfortunately the editorial is misinformed and blames students for poor budgeting and claims students treat student loans like a lottery.  Nothing can be the further from the truth.   If a student gets the maximum allowed under a student loan program is is not a lottery but barely enough to survive in Canada's large cities.
 
The editorial made me really mad.   Perhaps we need to reply to the editor of this paper.  The editor is uniformed.
 
Here is the contact info
The Coaster
P.O. Box 298
Harbour Breton, Newfoundland & Labrador
A0H 1P0
Telephone: (709) 885-2378
Fax : (709) 885-2393



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Posted By: frustrated-guy
Date Posted: 29/March/2007 at 4:24am
Here are some of the annoying statements from this editorial:
 
"a student used a loan to purchase a $1,000 puppy and help pay for a car"

"Another student used a loan to make a trip to a Third World country and help those less fortunate"
 
"Our generation of graduating students need to start making budgets and borrow according to what they need, not what they want"
 
"Students are meant to cut coupons, not backpack around Europe"



Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 29/March/2007 at 5:51am
I've spoken to the editor... the piece was a submission to the chain of newspapers.

I explained that the writer is painting us all with the same brush which is unfair...

The editor and I will talk further next week... he fully understands the debt issue.



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Posted By: frustrated-guy
Date Posted: 29/March/2007 at 7:13am
Thanks Mark for following up.  Looks Like they pulled the story from their web site after you called.   For those that did not see it here it is from another paper in the chain the Beacon (March 19th edition)
http://www.ganderbeacon.ca/index.cfm?iid=2380&sid=19904 - http://www.ganderbeacon.ca/index.cfm?iid=2380&sid=19904
Editorial::
Misconception: the luxuries of student debt

By STAFF
The Beacon
Imagine checking your bank account to find an increase of $5,000. The money is not because it is pay day, or someone just decided they should put it in your account and you can do with it as you please.

It would be like winning the lottery — a large sum of money that was not produced by long hours of labour, nor purchasing a bingo ticket. A lot of cash just happened to wind up in your name and your control.

This is how the average student feels when they check their bank account and suddenly go from a poor student who eats Kraft dinner as a delicacy, to a rich kid buying everyone's shots at the bar.

No work, all play. It's like free money.

This is the production of the generation that believes debt is OK. Debt is good. It has no limit, it will never demand payback and it will not stop students from trying to purchase a home, be captured by high interest rates or attest to them saving up money for their children's college education.

Wrong.

Students who qualify for government student loans are not entitled to pay back any of that loan or interest while they are students. They have no payment plan. Making one unconsciously believe the money is not a loan, forgetting that some day, preferably six months after graduation, the student is responsible for paying back the exact amount borrowed, plus interest.

Students become used to loans. They see them as annual incomes that keep filling their bank account with money whenever the school term starts.

They believe the school work they perform and the classes they attend are the labour they have given in order to receive payment for rent, food, books and tuition.

Rather than figuring out an exact budget, students are applying for the maximum amount of student loans because they can.

Students are not pinching pennies; they are paying their bills and then having a good time.

According to Statistics Canada, student debt rose every year since 1990. Although, the tuition has risen as well. Therefore, loans have increased in accordance with the tuition fees. In Newfoundland, tuition has either dropped or remained stable. In Quebec there is also a tuition freeze. So, why are students increasing the amount they borrow, after they have paid their tuition?

In one anecdotal case, a student used a loan to purchase a $1,000 puppy and help pay for a car.

Another student used a loan to make a trip to a Third World country and help those less fortunate.

Although the money was used for a greater good, why was the student even granted the money in the first place?

Both students managed to pay for their high cost tuition, rent, bills and all other necessities to live and survive. But they had money left over to play and do as they pleased.

Rather than using the leftover money, and returning it to what they owe and putting in on the principal, they figured the money was already theirs and had to be spent.

Students are not prepared for the debits appearing in their bank account after they graduate. Just like the free money that appeared out of nowhere, the government takes their payment directly from your account, whether the money is there or not. They have the ability to overdraw anyone's account, if the person signed an agreement to pay the loan back after graduation.

The Web site www.canadastudentdebt.com helps students prepare for debt and budgeting. According to this site, more and more students are not aware of the consequences of debt because they do not have to face reality while they are attending school.

The Web site also states many people have paid thousands of dollars in interest but nothing on the principal and the loan system is a tax on the working poor.



Most students who graduate from an undergraduate institution are not educated for a specific trade and cannot use their education to receive a high paying job. Under graduate schools are usually a stepping stone towards further education that prepares students for specific jobs.

Therefore, after graduation from undergraduate institutes, some students do not want to continue going to school or gaining a trade. Rather, students are continuing to work their old summer jobs but turning them into lifetime employment that extends past August and into the year. These jobs usually pay low incomes and the student is forced to only make the minimum required payment on their student loan.

Students then produce a habit of minimum payments on their debt.

Most students are prepared to be in debt for at least 10 years, because they plan to always pay the minimum monthly payment, no matter what their income.

Debt is debt. Our generation of graduating students need to start making budgets and borrow according to what they need, not what they want. They are supposed to live a low-income lifestyle, walk to class, buy no-name products and save leftovers until they become questionably eatable. Students are meant to cut coupons, not backpack around Europe.

All students are known as poor students. So, start acting like it and be aware that money borrowed, is money spent.




Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 29/March/2007 at 8:45am
MY RESPONSE

EDITOR, THE BEACON
As founder of the website mentioned in the article, I am writing to point out errors in logic and journalism in this article. First of all, whoever wrote the article did not do due diligence in researching the facts

The website is Canadastudentdebt.ca not Canadastudentdebt.com. The website provides support for people with student loan problems. Its purpose is not to education students as described in the article but to assist people in dealing with the bureaucratic nightmares of the student loan system, ie lost documentation, incorrect credit bureau reporting, and lack of access to debt relief programs.

The author of the article has made a serious error in painting all students with the same brush. Many students do penny pinch. Many students do plan meticulously only to find that government programs have been cancelled resulting in a doubling of their debt load. Many students do pay back their loans, and many people are defaulted even though they are making regular payments. Perhaps things are different in Newfoundland, but here in BC, tuition at some universities has risen 84% in the last 4 years. Ditto for Ontario.

As moderator of the site, everyday I see the horror stories of people trying to make ends meet with debt loads of over $60,000. If the author of the article was trying to convey that students need to plan and be aware of the debt they are incurring, then I admire the attempt but not the method. The students I know, particularly single parents and those from lower and middle income families are clearly struggling. In repayment, they are able to meet minimum payments by sacrifice and scrimping especially if they are on the threshold of not receiving interest relief or debt reduction.

I hope the writer will learn a lesson from this “opinion” and realizes that even though it is an editorial, the writer needs to research the facts and not accuse the whole student segment of the population based on a few incidental and sensational cases. The author of the article likely has potential as a journalist, but the slant of the argument is alienating the very population he or she wishes to educate.


Mark O’Meara
Founder of Canadastudentdebt.ca


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Posted By: pogorelichfan
Date Posted: 03/April/2007 at 11:29am
I am so sick of hearing about students who go and blow their loan on stupid things. 
 
If they really wanted to solve this problem, the government could simply send the student's tuition portion of their loan directly to the institution.  They already know what the exact amount is, since they electronically confirm a student's enrolment before they release the funds.  So, simply send that portion directly to the school--minus the student's deposit--and that will deal with most people that take out loans without any intention of attending school.


Posted By: Buff
Date Posted: 04/April/2007 at 3:06am
Pogo,
 
I think they already do that. If not everyone, OSAP does for sure. It happened to me. I had no intention of blowing it on stupid things, but I know many people who have. I had taken 3 years off between high school and college. I was working a minimum wage grocery store job that I hated and wanted out of, so I was prepared to put all my time and effort into school. Still, it was good to remove the temptation before I could even think about it.
 
Buff


Posted By: pogorelichfan
Date Posted: 06/April/2007 at 8:12am

My point is that there are far too many stories about those few people who abuse the loan system and not nearly enough about the many people who are responsible and pay their loans. 

Somehow, there continues to be an impression that just about everyone who has a student loan is abusing the system.  I often think the gov't is actively involved in this campaign to discredit any chances of improving the system for students.



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