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Topic: Nightmare: is settlement an option?
Posted By: stressedmomma
Subject: Nightmare: is settlement an option?
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 10:29am

 

I'm posting my story here. Have asked for advice on another thread about pursuing a settlement with RBC.

It's a long and awful/embarrassing story.

I was single with two kids on social assistance when I went back to school. I really thought I was going to make my life better and financially easier (eventually) by getting an education.

I took 5 years to get a B.A. - (at $14K+ per year, I'm sure you can do the math) - while working part-time and raising two kids, then went back to start my M.A. Upon leaving school, I did not qualify for interest relief or DR because I had defaulted. They said I sent the wrong form and by the time I found out, the loans were in default. They did not inform me that my application for IR was denied - I had to call them to find that out - and by that time I couldn't afford to pay the o/s interest to bring them into good standing, so I have been in default now for years!  

The most embarrassing part is that I have not made payments on my loans, except through seizure of my income tax returns. I couldn't afford to make the $826 the fed loans were asking for plus the $300 for provincial, so I just gave up. I know that sounds horrible and irresponsible, but I felt totally hopeless and paralyzed, just avoided dealing with student loans.

I was out of work/underemployed for almost a year after leaving grad school (without my M.A., since I couldn't afford to finish), and by the time I got a job I could live on, other debts like credit cards were much more immediate. I was just paying as much as I could to whomever was yelling at me the loudest. Student loans came last because they weren't yelling as loudly. It has been an awful time, and I have been consistently stressed by debt, let alone trying to raise kids alone. Many sleepless nights, crying, not answering the phone or even opening the mail.

My provincial loans, which have about $4K left, will be almost paid off when they take this year's tax return...at least that's something!  I have paid off one Visa and a retail card, which feels good. I _want_ to pay off the debt, don't want to be depressed and feel like a loser anymore.

This is why I am pursuing the settlement option. I just hope it is the right thing to do.

Thanks for listening. I am glad I found a place to tell my ridiculous story.

 




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Posted By: hunter
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 11:51am
stressed

All I can say is you did what you could with the resources that you had. I commend you for going to school and wanting a better life for you and your family.
This is the main reason that I went to University. My goal did not turn out the way that I wanted it to either.

Not paying the $ 826 and the $ 300 payments does not make you horrible nor irresponsible. I would say it is impossible. Even if you did get a good job out of the education, it is still impossible to pay that amount each month without being homeless or starving.

And don't beat yourself up about it. You have nothing to be embarrassed about. Please don't feel like a loser. I know collectors make you feel like one, but you are better than that. We all are.

I left school in 1998, I made my first payment in 2003.
I am only paying the interest for now, but it is the best that I can do, and hey I am happy with that.

You have come a long way with your education and paying off debt, that has to make you feel good. Be proud of what you have accomplished.

As for a settlement, I would talk to Johnny or maybe some of the other posters can give you a better kwowledge of what to offer them.

I just saw your post and had to respond. Be nicer to yourself, you are doing great and deserve a pat on the back.


Posted By: kwelmm
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 3:25pm
Stressedmomma,

Your story is in no way ridiculous!  We can all empathize in your story.  Dealing with defaulted student loans with collection agencies can be the hardest thing.  Paying what is expected is even harder!! 

Avoiding what is paralyzing us is the most natural thing to do....like hunter said...don't beat yourself up about it.  We are here for ya!!!

Kat


Posted By: Casey
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 3:32pm
Hi stressedmomma

Looking after your kids and yourself come first, give yourself credit for doing that!

As to paying your debts:

1) - your kids come first
2) - take care of yourself - your health
3) - pay what you can after 1 & 2 are taken care of..
4) - pat yourself on the back and give credit where it is due

As for #1, most people know that the kids should come first!

#2 is where the problem comes in, as too many people go to one extreme or the other.. You have to be healthy (mentally & physically) to be a good parent, also to be able to do you job and stay employed.  So treat yourself good, even spoil yourself now and then (within reason)

#3 take the money you can spare, after the important things have been taken care of and split it between your creditors. One place where you may want to make a change is to pay a small amount on your Canada student loan, even if it is only $5 or $10 per month (give a little less to one of the others) This will show good faith and prevent legal action from being taken against you.. Remember to send in the financial report form (every 6 months) as it is a requirement.. and avoid future stress you don't want. 

From here on, you know you're doing the best you can.. Don't worry about the phone calls.. ya I know how nasty some of those creeps can be.  Don't believe all the crap they say and the threats they make.. You don't have to listen to them and can even tell them so! Most provinces have regulations covering collectors that allow you to tell them not to call you.. You usually have to do this in witting. Ya, I know, some collectors don't listen too well... 

# 4 the most important thing, even if it is hard to do is "Don't worry, be happy!" Your kids need you for more than buying them food and stuff. They need you to be there physically and mentally.. Kids are smart and know when things are not right with us.. Try not to let the whole mess get you down, you have done nothing wrong.. In fact you belong to a very big club created by our non caring government.. The fat cats who run the country don't give a darn about us..

Don't let this SL situation ruin your life any more ... Get on with with things and live.. Enjoy your kids.. they grow up so fast and then they're gone.. or no  longer what to do stuff with their parents.. Raising children in itself is a full time job.. Your doing that and working too! Your paying your debts no matter how slowly.. what more can be asked of you?  Your doing great! Give yourself credit for what you are managing to do! 

Single parents who are doing a good job of looking after their kids deserve a lot more credit than our government and society give!

Casey . . . 
(single parent dad for 14 years)



Posted By: kwelmm
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 3:38pm
Casey

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT....MY HEART HAS ALWAYS GONE OUT TO SINGLE PARENTS!!!!




Posted By: silence2long
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 4:51pm

Casey,

Thanks for the words........sometimes they apply to others than just the original poster.

Stressedmomma,

I hope this all works out for you........it is so true you are not alone.  This forum is full of people thrown together who are meant to touch each others' lives in some way.  For some, it can be more profound than others.  I realize that simply knowing that you are not alone will not solve this for you......but stick around and read....ask questions.  There is a lot of information on this site, as well as, help to be had.

Take care of yourself and your family...the rest will fall into line... once you are thinking clearly....and not so stressed.



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silence is a form of fear...fear of the unknown...has kept me silent too long


Posted By: stressedmomma
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 5:29pm

 

Thanks to everyone for the kind words! I really needed that today!

How do you deal with the stress? It's so overwhelming right now, juggling kids, work, school (I'm in an employer-paid 5-month course part-time at the moment), and I also have to deal with this *mammoth* debt.  I wish they (CA's) would stay off my back long enough for me to get some clarity, just some time to plan my next move rationally.

This has been an extremely taxing week for me. I  have been working a lot of extra hours just to get by, and last night my daughter was crying at me that she'd rather be poor and have time with me than have me spend so much time working...this just after I had opened a "pay up now" letter from RBC's collection agency. I have promised her that I will try, but the overtime is for necessities, not for luxuries...

Anyway, just telling my story has been a fantastic relief, so thank you for being supportive. I have not told any of my friends or family anything other than generalities - I was always too embarrassed.

 

 

 

 



Posted By: Hunter2
Date Posted: 18/April/2005 at 6:14pm
I read about your settlement offer and am keeping my fingers crossed for you that its legitimate and that it goes through.
I too have hidden my debt from others out of embarassment and have almost always found this board so supportive. It is a relief to get it out...specifically!
Casey's advice is wonderful take it to heart and please keep us updated on your progress



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