This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 21/May/2005 at 11:40pm
Quick Summary (NO STUDENT LOANS)

100k in debt, all unsecured, LOC and VISA
No assets. Split evenly over 3 major banks.

Been of work for 6 months due to hand injury.
Expect to be off work for at least another 2 months.
There is no income. There is no current job to return to.
Credit rating is already shot ... 20years Top rating, took 4 months to go to R9


Expect hand injury to take another 2-6 months to be back to normal, nerve damage.

When work is again acquired in the future, income would be expected to be in the 80-120K range.

Question:
Is going bankrupt a better option than trying a consumer proposal at a later stage when recovered?

My thoughts are either go bankrupt and deal with the fall out later, or do nothing until income has returned and deal with it myself. A consumer proposal to me would only make sense to I gave a lump sum payment, certainly not any 3-4 yr plan. I am not be too concerned about reestablishing credit afterwords as this is driven more by ability to pay rather than inclination.

Since the credit rating is shot, I am not too motivated to pay any of the debt regardless.

I am not the least bit bothered by relentless calls from collection agencies as I have informed the original creditors of the situations. I am also not the least bit concerned about being taken to court, as there is no money available and it is unlikely at happen anyway.

As speaking to trustees will only led to ... if you have no money you do not need to do anything ... they will not address best options.

Again, given this, is it best just to declare bankrupcy (first time) and remove the concern entirely? I am aware this would mean essentially living on nothing for 9-10 months or so to ensure non conditional release.

Interested in hearing any/all opinions.

thx
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This is a tough call and I'm not sure if you can really get an answer here.

A decision to go bankrupt has consequences...

It is best to ask the creditors if you can delay these payments...

With a proposal at least you will pay some of the debt... but if they reject the proposal, I believe that will mean bankruptcy... but at least you will have known that you tried to work something out...

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Yep, I was thinking about waiting till I get back on my feet, get some income moving and then I will be in a position to offer a settlement or accept bankruptcy.

I am trying to determine the odds of settling debt at 20-30%. Creditors are not oblidged to accept any offer.

I want to avoid going too far out of my way to be as reasonable as possible when the creditors can really do a number on me for making the attempt.

For banks 100K is trival and it case will likely be assigned to a junior person looking to make a name.

The trickiest part is the 9 month bankruptcy. If I am healed and can return to work in that period, unconditional discharge will probably not happen even with a first bankruptcy


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