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SLEEPUR
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Topic: Statute Barred??? Posted: 22/January/2005 at 12:07pm |
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Hey everyone I am taking a beating with the agencies calling. The stress it is putting on my family is not good and I am trying to come up with solutions to slow and ease the process.
Okay, Here it is. I have a couple of student loans from1996. For bankruptcy I realize that i only nees to wait one more year. Yeah, but not really the headaches and heartaches attached to this are inumerable. Therefore I have found out about Statute Barred and have a few questions that hopefully can be answered Also I have not made contact in writing or sent any payments to the creditors. I know how crappy is that but its not the subject
1) If you are Statute Barred and either do not know for sure or at all. Can the Collections people or court put through any action against you?
2) Once you find out for sure if you are Statute Barred and wage garnishment or other avenues of collecting have allready been taken against you, Can you have these stopped?
3) If you are actually able to become statute barred, is it possible in the future to repay these loans under your own terms?
And 4) How hard is it to get a statute barred case to go through and how long does it take?
Thank you so much in advance for your replies
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Islander
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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 2:07pm |
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There are posts on this subject elsewhere, but here goes, to the best of my ability:
1) The collectors can do anything they want. I point out that statute barred cases have been routinely sued; Johnny feels that at worst that's a very rare occurence. In any case it's up to you to find out if your case meets the criteria for being statutorily exempt from prosecution.
2) If action has been taken against you (wage garnishment etc.) the question is, "Was it barred when the actions were taken?". That's a matter for satisfying your curiosity, really, because if you were successfully sued while your account was technically out of their reach, good luck getting it back on appeal.
There is an outside chance that you could get the judgment set aside and retried, but you'd be very lucky to get a judge to refuse to hear the retrial on limitations grounds. And if the judge tries the case, you'll lose unless you don't owe the money; statute of limitations notwithstanding.
3) You can ALWAYS repay a debt. It is reactivated as far as the limitations laws are concerned, when you make a payment, however.
There may be a way to make a payment anonymously, stating explicitly that the payment is being made without the consent or knowledge of the alleged debtor and that the payment specifically does not constitute an acknowledgement of the debt and, in fact, specifically denies any liability etc. etc. That might get a payment down without reactivating the limitations period. I doubt that it's ever been tried and in any case, if the payment was ever traced to the original debtor, all the boilerplate in the world wouldn't stand up for a second.
4) I'm not sure what you mean here, but if you're asking whether they can successfully prosecute a statute barred case, you'll get more than one opinion. I have seen it happen. Often. Johhny doesn't believe that it happens. As to the time factor, it depends on the jurisdiction and whether the action is defended. An undefended action in some jurisdictions could see a judgment signed 2 weeks from the date the case is filed.
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SolveStudentDebt
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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 5:48pm |
Islander,
1) Collectors cannot do anything they want. all they can do is call people to try to collect money for their client. Retail collecitons have a bit more clout when it comers to legal action. In today's industry, agencies sue less and less due to hard costs and bankruptcy issues. Remember, most agenmcies have to pay the legal costs in advance.
As for statute barred debts being sued, we will just agree to disagree on the matter.
Collection agencies do not sue Crown student debt, The department of justice does via their legal resources. My initial argument with you regarding barred debt being sued was relevent to Crown debt. It does not happen at all. If it has ever happened, the numbers would be low. I have never seen a CSl sued by justice that was barred, and I had nearly 14 years in.
If banks are suing barred visas and loans, then that is something totally different. None the less, it still raises pretty good arguments in or out of court. Barred debt is "legally" uncollectable thus removing the ability to sue in supreme or small claims. We are talking about student loans here.
2) Yes, as we had discussed together in a previous thread somewhere. Defendant can appeal to have the case dismissed based on the statutes of limitations already being in force. The Plaintiff will appeal to have the Defendant's defense stricken because ignorance of the law is not a solid defense. Just a huge snowball fight in the making.
3) You cannot make a payment "without prejudice" - especially with the HRDC. The act clearly reflects the type of acknowledgment you are describing, and the Crown's position after the fact.
The Federal and Provincial acts stipulate that any acknowledgment received, whether or not a promise to pay, or a refusal to pay has been indicated, it will activate the debt. It is certianly an innovative thought, Islander. You can have your neighbor make a payment for you, that still acknowledges the debt because a voluntary payment has been made. Can it be argued by the debtor? Sure it can. Will it be voted in favor of the debtor? Think case law, Islander.
Wouldn;t it be funnt though, Islander? .. if people were to write "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" on the memo line of their cheques that they issue.  

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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 6:03pm |
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Johnny, I said a collector CAN do whatever he wants. I didn't say he was ALLOWED to. ( we all know that a collector "can't" tell you that they plan to sue if it's tnot rue. Therefore they never do?)
I was only making the point that the laws are not always or even usually obeyed, so it would be a mistake to expect that a CA is limited in its actions to what is legally permissible.
And as far as the last item is concerned: I was suggesting a hypothetical case in which a payment came in on a debt anonymously. Not one that the alleged debtor openly made "without prejudice". It was admittedly a very strange hypothetical scenario; it was intended to suggest that making a payment would almost certainly reinstate the debt. I was only suggesting that in law NOTHING is absolute and that it was within the realm of possibility that a scenario could be envisioned in which payment was made towards a debt without it affecting the debt's status under a limitations statute. Even then, I suggested that the possibility was far-fetched.
We seem to agree on just about everything else. I agree that a student debt is unlikely to slip past all the checks and balances and end up with a judgment after the limitations period has expired.
BUT. Referring to my previous contention that nothing in law is absolute or guaranteed, I tried to make it clear that it is the responsibility of the alleged debtor to ascertain that the limitations period has indeed expired and that the statute applies in his case. One shouldn't leave it up to the claimant. One shouldn't trust them or their agents for any reason, their dishonesty being equaled only by their incompetence. |
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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 6:11pm |
Hence the good faith payment that CA's suggest to you in order to get things worked out. That in itself ..... resets the clock !!!
I have one question.... does stating that you know you owe something in a conversation with a CA reset the clock?? Without this in writing by you??
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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 8:19pm |
| The law says that an acknowledgement must be in writing. A conversation cab too easily be misinterpreted to have much validity as a legal statement. |
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Posted: 22/January/2005 at 8:48pm |
Islander
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I looked in the Student Loan Act but was still confused. It seems to be designed to confuse.
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SolveStudentDebt
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Posted: 23/January/2005 at 5:35am |
An acknowledgment is a written correspondance or a voluntary payment. There is no argument as to what constitutes acknowlegment. It is black and white.
If a payment is made, then the debt is being acknowledged. Otherwise, why would any one make a payment toward a debt that doesn't exist?
A conversation can not be considered a legal acknowledgment. It can only be determined by two vehicles - written correspondance and voluntary payment applications.
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Posted: 23/January/2005 at 7:41am |
Thank you 
My vehicle is currently sitting in the driveway.... I am not a mechanic ... and until I am able to get a qualified one to look at it ... then it will continue to sit there... I am tired of the backyard mechanic syndrome.. of here lets just twist this bolt and see what happens, it has left me stranded too many times without a map!!!
I cannot believe that they allowed this lemon to leave the carlot in the first place... nor can I believe to get any information about how to fix the car from the dealership.
Guess I will be walking for awhile in the meantime .... I know I will get there ... I just am not sure how long it will take. I've been told walking is good for my health.
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Posted: 25/January/2005 at 6:50pm |
Thanx for the input everyone  I need to know how "Legally" to find out if the loan barred.and do you need to do this to have a leg to stand on? Do you need to get it on paper or do you just not acknowledge it? Say my wages did get garnished, and I am sure that the debt is barred myself but not through the courts, what do I do or what happens? This loan I am refferrring to is a provincial loan. The CSL loan I have am pretty sure that I must still pay back as they have taken my tax returns up to last year. Oh can you tell me if there is any way to use interest relief as a defence if over the corresponding years I was below the poverty line, even though I didn't apply for it at the time. I want to try and see if can payout the Principal of the loan (CSL not provincial) I think the provincial one is beyond the Limitations. If my loan (provincial) has been barred why did they put it on my credt rating a few months ago? Thanx in advance
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