This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 26/October/2004 at 12:43pm

I have been reading through post after post here and have gained alot of insight on many issues. According to Johnny its at best very difficult to get a CSL discharge. My question is what about us who are on disability? Is it more or less likely for a discharge to be granted? The reason I ask is because the likelyhood of obtaining that "Dream Job" in which paying back 40+k can be carried out is slim to none after not being able to obtain employment while our newly aquired skills are fresh.

At least for now my wages can't be garnished. But I do want to start new and get rid of this debt. I seen a Trustee today and he said its in my best interests to just wait till after his conference in November where he will gain more information on the 10 yr to 5 yr transition. He did mention that a retro-active discharge of my CSL may also be a possibility but to wait until after the conference.

 

Any info would be helpful..

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 It would depend on your disability. Is it long-term to the point where you cannot work at all? The discharge process is not easy at all, truth be known. Otherwise, you would hear lots of stories about happy people being student debt free.

 Trustees tell people lots of jargon to simply "distract" their student loan bankrupt clients. They know how bloody difficult it is going to be to achieve discharges. The trustess are praying for the miracle so they can get back in the business and earn tons of cash by selling bankruptcy as a solution rather than paying them. Some people do want to pay their loans and then do so. Some people do not want to pay their student loans and constantly seek ways to avoid having to pay. This is the world we live in. Bankruptcy in days gone by made fortunes from student loan debtors who did not want to pay and found that bankruptcy was their window of oportunity.

   

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 To add more... this is the very reason why the governments shut the windows on the Bankruptcy administration. Too many people wee frustrating the sysytem and the good ole boys and gils on the hill said enough is enough.

  

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That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is this. Bankruptcy laws which have been in existence since about fifteen minutes after the invention of the concept of "credit" were instituted to protect people from unreasonable suffering as the result of an inability to satisfy financial obligations.

Even in such brutal and cruel times as Italy at the time of Medicis and the Roman Empire at its lions v. Christians peak there was a recognition that there had to be some reasonable and human limit to the suffering people could be made to undergo over a debt. Bankruptcy has always been the last resort for those who demonstrably could not satisfy an obligation NO MATTER WHOSE FAULT IT WAS, short of a fraudulent bankruptcy. It has always been a fundamental recognition that human life and dignity were more valuable ultimately than money.

Then along came the adjustments to Canadian bankruptcy laws. The new way of looking at it is this:

THEIR money has more value than human life and dignity. Every one else lends and occasionaly loses. That's why there is interest charged. Not student loans, though. The most ancient and fundamental protections belonging to a civilised society no longer apply to the students who got stuck with the bill of goods. They are not entitled to that basic remedy that everyone, everywhere else has.

In Canada, a defaulted student loan is more of a crime than murder. You have a longer time waiting for forgiveness on your student debt than Carla Homkolka will spend in prison (while she gets that education for free). Money is more valuable than human life in Canada.

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Unfortunately the government decided to play Big Daddy and punish all of us for the irresponsibility of a few at EXACTLY the same time the rest of the SL system collapsed into chaos.

As a result, the membership on this forum is probably double what is should be...

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To add more... this is the very reason why the governments shut the windows on the Bankruptcy administration. Too many people wee frustrating the sysytem and the good ole boys and gils on the hill said enough is enough.

 

 I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my questions. I do want to clarify that I'm not simply trying to "Frustrate" the system. Bankruptcy in my case would be a last resort. I went through a Commercial Pilot Program and earned an IFR rating and flight instructor rating. I graduated at the end of August 2001. 11 days later we all know what happened to the Aviation Industry. Once you get your Instructors rating the ol' clock starts ticking. You have 1 year to go from a level 4 to a level 3 or else your instructors rating becomes invalid. You jump from a 4 to a 3 by the number of hours you spend teaching. You spend hours teaching by getting employment.

I don't consider myself a member of the bad apple club who choose to, as you say, "Frustrate the system". I have a wife and 2 children and I'm honestly scared. I want what so many others want. The house, the backyard for my kids to play in, the second car any colour she wants etc etc.

The worst part of the day is checking the mail and getting these lovely letters. "Dear Mr. SoAndSo, please send payment in the amount of one million dollars to CIBC and for your convenience we have included a pre-paid postage envelope because we understand that you probably cannot afford a f**king stamp".

My oldest son has Monopoly... I wonder if they have a sense of humor...hmmm.

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J, I'm with you. You, like many others here are being made to suffer for the crimes of others. We here on the forum will offer whatever help we can.

And by the way, Johnny? When a system is as corrupt as this one is, it is morally not only justified, but required to frustrate it.

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