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snogard
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Topic: Bank Account being cleaned out Posted: 02/November/2004 at 4:40pm |
Urgent need of advice.
Looking at my bank statements, my account has been cleaned out twice this month! totalling to abt $1500 The money is being withdrawn via Inter branch banking (whatever that means) after my company has direct-deposited the money I earned to my account.
Today, I have gone to my main bank branch to find out who authorized this and where the funds are heading to. They had no answers except that they would run a trace on it and get back to me in 48 hours.
My Question is: Can collection agencies just start yanking money out of your account without your permission or to give you notices/warnings?
I went through a hectic couple of years and I am still recovering from it. I still owe one credit card and my student loan which I suspect has taken this action of garnishing my bank account.
Furthermore, I have read many articles, including this site, of similar situations and so far I gather that all of them got a notice of the garnishment.
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momof2
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 3:05am |
from what i gather, a judgement would have to be in place against you, which would require the CA to refer your file back to the original lender. the CA can't touch your money on their own.
now, if your bank account is the same account your student loan money went into - run - don't walk to the bank and close the account. because the bank needs no permission to take what is owed to them and they will give you no notice whatsoever.
cross your fingers that it's just a mistake on the part of the bank. mind you, when there was money taken from my hubby's account fraudulently it took us 3 months to get the cash back. but at least we got it back.
keep us posted and good luck
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 10:50am |
Wow.... really!? That's Crazy!!!
The original loan is from the same bank account however yesterday. they said that a third party is doing this not them. I suspect that they are using the same channels to get at my money though. To get this judgement, I would have thought they would need to take me to court or something. Can not even defend myself.
Lucky my mortgage is being dealt in a separate (joint) account or I would be really screwed.
What did your husband do after or during the process of getting the money back? Can we sue them or something? It all seems illegal when they are draining my account to the balance of 0.
I am probably just gonna switch the bank account although it would be a big hassle. Lots of prepayment plans.
Just when you think the banks are safe 
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 10:54am |
I had that problem only once with National Student Loan Centre fraudulently removing money from my account. I had a woman on the phone swearing up and down that I'd given permission for them to make pre-authorized withdrawals. When I finally demanded that she fax me a copy of the signed permission form, she backed off, threw me on hold for ten minutes, and had her supervisor apologize to me. I let it slide, since I got a letter of apology, and I did owe them the money, anyway.
However, my bank told me that every time someone makes a withdrawal from my account that I don't agree with, I have to go into the bank, fill out a form, and wait 4-6 weeks to see if whoever took the money is willing to return it. Nice policy, eh? And I have to repeat that process EVERY time. That's why I have very few authorized withdrawals.
I agree with Mom, though. Get to your bank and CLOSE that account. Period.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 11:13am |
snogard
with my hubby it was a clear case of fraud - an email money transfer he never authorized to a website we'd never visited. we called the bank hours after it happened, they started an investigation right away, the rcmp got involved as well. hubby was not the only victim and the guy who screwed us ( thank god for overdraft protection) was arrested. the bank apologised, credited us our overdraft fees and changed their security requirements for email tranfers. but it wasn't the bank's fault - they were hacked.
legal ? read the fine print on your student loan papers. you entered a contract with the bank agreeing to pay them. sure it woud be nice to b told in advance they were going to help themselves, but hey, would you have given them the money willingly ?
the hassle of changing accounts is nothing compared to the service charges of bouncing ar rent check or the inconvenience of having no money for groceries etc. if they want your money make them work for it.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 6:12pm |
Snogard I imagine that when you get to the root of the matter it will turn out to be your own bank withdrawing money for your delinquent student loans (assuming they are delinquent of course). This is perfectly normal. It is possible that there is some fraud going on and someone with fake i.d is pretending to be you at another branch and withdrawing the cash. It's called identity theft. I would be very worried.
Believe me, they know who is withdrawing the cash or they know who they think it is.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 6:45pm |
Thanks for the advice guys.
Now that my credit is ruined. Will it be difficult for me to open a bank account? or is that not affected?
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 6:48pm |
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You'll be able to open a bank account, whatever your Bureau rating. Obtaining credit is another matter.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 7:12pm |
Actually over the last several years there has been a trend in banking to run a credit check on new applicants. If there is adverse information and no potential to develop a relationship, many institutions will now decline to open an account. Often what happens now is that financial institutions will identify other financial institutions that will take such applicants and refer them there.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 7:21pm |
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Ferren's right. My answer wasn't clear. I meant to say that you will be able to find a bank that will open an account for you (go with a Credit Union, if you can). Some banks could turn you down if your credit is really awful, but you will find one who is willing to take your money.
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 7:47pm |
Suspected as much. Thanks for the posts.
Soon enough I got to read up on repairing my credit.
So frustrating. 
I had a credit card that I never missed a payment for almost 3 years and now they will not renew my card. 
Any banks with good reputations out there? I hear Ing Direct is good. Anyone have any opinions?
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Posted: 03/November/2004 at 9:21pm |
ING is good for savings -- the interest is the highest you can get for the money people like us have to deposit...but not day to day banking like bill payments, money orders, cheque cashing, etc. You need a bank with a physical branch. And ING won't open an account for you unless you have one already at one of these banks. A credit union is a good bet.
I'd get an ING too for savings...you can transfer back and forth through the internet.
I was also under the impression that a bank HAD to provide a basic bank account for anyone with the ID (two pieces with a signature; birth certificates and health cards are no good). I could be wrong...
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Posted: 04/November/2004 at 3:55am |
Hubby and I went to Canada Trust to open a savings account for our wedding. My parents have always dealt with them and they've been good. Hubby and I typically deal with RBC.
At CT, we were told that Hubby could have a bank card, but that he could not withdraw from the machine. His credit was shot because of a collection agency issue with a credit card about 6 years ago. CT was happy to open an account for us, but they put limits on the amount that *I* could withdraw, and they refused to allow him to withdraw through the machine at all.
Needless to say, we stopped using the CT account after the wedding.
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Posted: 04/November/2004 at 4:13am |
That's a new one. When I worked at the CIBC I never ran a credit check for a bank card...and when I moved to Scotiabank six years ago, same thing -- I got a bank card no problemo.
A bank card isn't credit...you can't take out what isn't there. A bank Visa or Mastercard is a different thing. They are making branches so inconveniently located unless you have a car that I would never survive without a bank machine and Interac!
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Posted: 04/November/2004 at 4:51am |
ing has great interest accounts for savings and has good service for inquiries into personal loans etc. but yes you still ned a 'traditional' account for the money to be transferred from. i would recommend a credit union.
with credit cards, just making your payments isn't always good enough. if you are just paying the minimum on a maxed out balance they may or may not renew if your credit report is suspect. but if you carry a balance for a few months and pay it off, or make double your monthly payments here and there it shows the lender that you are 'more responsible' and trying to keep your debt minimal ( sorry, can't think of what exactly i want to say, that's pretty close though). those types of borrowers are the ones who get their credit limits increased without asking (even with a blemish or two on the old credit report )
now, if your credit card is issued by the bank your student loans are with, then them not renewing is no big suprise - they want you to pay one of your debts so they can try and collect on the other.
your credit may not necessarily be shot - request a copy of yor credit report and see if there's anything on there that isn't right. if there are discrepencies get them corrected. if your CR isn't a bed of roses, don't sweat it, time heals all wounds. sure it will take 6 years for an oopsie to disappear off your CR but it will go away and you have that time to start an rsp, an investment portfolio, a kick ass savings account. maybe you'll be lucky and settle your debts and be free and clear - but if you settle make sure the debt gets erased on your CR as well and get everything in writing. if you are working make an effort to correct those outstanding debts and be more cautious in the future.
just my two cents
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Posted: 29/November/2004 at 10:27am |
When I first returned to Canada a year and a half ago I went into my local RBC to open and account. they ran my credit history and essentially escorted me out. I have heard that the laws have since changed and that you cannot be turned down. I mean the way the entire system has become structured it is mandatory in most cases to have a bank account (to receive paycheques etc.)
I also suffered from being cleared out by CIBC(where my student loan originated). I was receiving my tax refund in 2000 and was going to use the large refund to balance off a few debts. I had specifically asked that the refund be mailed to me however it was deposited directly into my CIBC account as it had been the year prior. It vanished instantly....I didn't bother to enquire who took it.
After the RBC incident I simply used my wife's account for deposits in order to be completely safegaurded from these snakes. It means that for a year and a half of good credit I have nothing to show on my credit score...however, it seemed the safest course to take at the time.
Recently we have opened an account with President's Choice.
Tthere are restrictions for the first few months but 0 fees.
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Posted: 29/November/2004 at 11:01am |
When I went to the RBC years after I had left University to open a bank account, the lady typed in my name and kept saying:
OH MY, OH MY, OH MY....
I too was told never to even try open up a bank account there ever again...
HAHA sucks to be me...
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Posted: 29/November/2004 at 11:34am |
hunter....I haven't researched the new rules but if in fact they cannot deny you an account you should go back to the same lady and open and account in spite.
Close it the next day saying that you were displeased the service...specifically the 'customer representative' who had been so incredibly rude to you.
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Posted: 29/November/2004 at 12:51pm |
President's Choice? That's just part of the CIBC, isn't it?
*shudder*
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Posted: 30/November/2004 at 7:40am |
Yeah... it is CIBC (it is bloody hard to escape the big banks). The account in my wife's name and we use it only for purchases because of the 0 fee element.
I have chosen a credit union for my banking.
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