This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 17/September/2004 at 6:46am

I have had 2 consecutive IR periods.  Will be applying for the 3rd and most probably until the 5th IR.  After that, I think I can extend it to another 2 years.  Right now, I cannot get a decent job so I have not made any payments and am in good standing.  The only HOPE I have is to not make any IR payments until the 5th IR period (2.5 years) and then qualify for another 4 IR periods (2years) and wait for Debt Reduction (DR).  I am so confused!

 

First question:

Is DR applied after the first 30 month IR period?  Or is it applied after the additional 24 month IR period (30 + 24 months = 54 months OR 4.5 years)?

I am living on the edg and afraid to make any payments because it will be on the interest only.

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If I am on interest relief and can make some payments, will that money be used to pay off my principal???????????????

Third Question:

I have honestly stopped looking for a full-time job because I know the payments will go towards the interest only.  Therefore, I am living on the edge just surviving.  So, if I continue to get interest relief for the full 54 months period, will my total debt of $50,000 be reduced?  By how much?  ANY IDEA?????

 

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To your second question, yes.

DR is SUPPOSED to be automatically applied to your account based on some esoteric criteria that which no one seems to be able to figure out. How much apparently depends on your financial background as reported with CCRA. To your third question, yes the payments will go toward interest at first, but that is the nature of the beast! That's how loans work.  Now, if you default you will be paying interest until you pay everything or you die, whichever comes first. It ain't pretty. If I were you, I would use your IR sessions like poker cards, to help you over the tricky spots, but pay as much as you can, when you can.  

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Thanks for replying back dazed&confused. 

Question 1:

Why doesn't everyone than...pay as much as they can if they are on IR and have that go towards paying their principal!!

Question 2:

I have also heard that if you make payments while on IR, they won't give you DR and you might not qualify for IR later on.  They might say, "well, you have made payments in the past while on IR, so we dont' think you qualify for IR.   Also sir, where did you get the money from?  If you have money to pay back towards the principaly during IR, than you certainly are in good standing to pay back without being on IR."

Not sure what's going on here....

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So, you do not know if DR is applied after 30 months or after 54 months or after both?

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in response to question 1...

most of us on IR are unemployed or underemployed and since we have no (disposable) income, we cant make any payments

in response to question 2...

in my case, i couldnt make any payments at all but did have to make two interest payments (at the expense of my visa) while scotiabank lost my forms when reapplying for IR - they said i had to make the payments or they would not consider me for another IR period.  the magic formula to qualify for IR is printed right n the back of your application - if your income is so much they expect youto be able to make a payment of so much.  if the numbers dont jive, they generally qualify you for IR since the government will pay your interest for you.

in response to question 3...

DR is supposed to be applied after you have exhausted all IR (so 54 months) IF and i mean IF by some miracle you can qualify.  they do not do this automatically - you have to apply for DR, contrary to what you may have been led to believe.  when processing your DR application they will require your proof of income for the last YEAR - this means your income tax assessment.  they DO NOT consider any of your living expenses when processing your application.  if you do not qualify for DR - that's it.  there are no more ways to delay paying your loan.  if you are lucky, you will have a job and be able to start making your payments.  if you are unlucky, this means three nasty letters form the bank before they hand you over to the sharks (CA's) and leave you to rot.

initial DR maximum is 10K.  you can reapply for another DR IF you keep your loan in good standing and make payments in full and on time for a year.  when you reapply i believe there is another maximum of 5K, then another 12 month period of payments, another application and a final maximum of 5K.  sounds pretty screwed - if i could make my payments i wouldnt need DR, now would i.  so in theory your 50K loan could be reduced to 30K after 54 months of keeping your IR in good standing and 2 years of making all your payments in full and on time, IF you can qualify.  dont quote me but i think in order to qualify for DR at all you have to make less than 18K.  definately dont quote me on that though because i am specualting here.

if you can make a payment, make a payment.  any payments made while on IR go directly to the principal owing so in the end you benefit (in theory, depends on your situation after you have exhausted IR like i have).  you are responsible for your debts and should make every effort to repay your loans.  but do not pay your loans if it means starving for three weeks or getting your hydro shut off.

hope that helps.

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http://www.osap.on.gov.ca search under reapying your loans/ loan forgiveness. It's all there in black&white.
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