This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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I am sure creditors know what it means. The fact is that it is not a derrogatory comment. It is too vague.
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Well I bit the bullet and called.  I will be getting my GST for those two years so it looks like the money won't be taken.  Woohoo!!!!

This means they can't sue me, I think?  I can pay it back but in a way I can afford.  I'm so very happy.  :)
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You should have asked about any potential income tax refund. CRA often times does not gaff GST. Sometimes they do. It is weird how they roll sometimes. If a lien is removed then that is a good sign. If you call CRA tax office in your area they can easily tell you if there is a lien on you.

 

 
 
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In a previous post, I wrote:

"...pursuant to Subsection 164(2) of the Income Tax Act ( Canada ), the CRA can exercise their "right of set-off" by withholding any monies payable to Her Majesty in Right of Canada or to a Province and remit those monies to the NSLSC."

In response, Johnny wrote:

"This is incorrect. CRA does not gaff income tax or GST rebates after barring. Doesn't happen."

There is no provision in the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) that overrides the application of the "right of set-off" as provided for in Subsection 164(2) for defaulted Federal student loans that are "statute-barred" or are outside the limitation period as provided for in Section 16.1 of the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act.

In Section 2 of the Canada Student Financial Assistance Regulations, a "student loan" is defined as a "risk-shared loan or a direcr loan". Risk-shared loans were issued between August 1, 1995 and July 31, 2000 and direct loans were issued after July 31, 2000.

Under Subsection 16.1(2) of the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act, it reads as follows:

"Money owing under a student loan may be recovered AT ANY TIME by way of deduction from or set-off against any sum of money that may be due or payable by Her Majesty in Right of Canada to the borrower or the estate or the succession of the borrower."

You will note that Subsection 16.1(2) does not state that monies may be recovered ONLY if the defaulted student loan is NOT "statute-barred" or is ONLY within a limitation period. Therefore, any defaulted student loan is subject to the "right of set-off" as long as the loan exists.

You will also note that there is no provision to extinguish a defaulted student loan once it becomes "statute-barred". In other words, even if a defaulted Federal student loan becomes "statute-barred", the loan still exists.

Having said that, it should also be noted that the CRA has two divisions. One division is responsible for income taxes and the other division is responsible for commodity taxes ( i.e. sales and excise taxes ). It has been my observation over the years that there ihas been very weak communication between these two divisions as evidenced by a recent report entitled "Getting it Right" issued in July, 2012 by Mr. Paul J. Dube, Canada's Taxpayers' Ombudsman.

It is not uncommon for a taxpayer that owes a debt to the Crown, such as a defaulted student loan, only to have their income tax refund seized and paid toward their outstanding debt while at the same time receive their quarterly GST rebate. I'm at a loss to explain why this happens.

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The government of Canada removes liens anchored in on rebates upon discoveryu of a limitation issue. Period.
 
The attorney general's office takes that position and it is what it is. If you would like to see proof, contact me privately and I will show you ALL the proof your heart desires.
 
"May" recover, in the context it is written means they "may". It is law and that is why law is always so questionable. The fact is that they remove liens.
 
Also, Income tax law applies to income tax. Not student loans.
 
 
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In response to my previous post regarding the CRA exercising their "right of set-off" for defaulted Federal student loans assigned to them for collection by the NSLSC, Johnny wrote:

"The government of Canada removes liens anchored in all rebates upon discovery of a limitation issue. Period.

The attorney general's office takes that position and it is what it is."

For argument's sake, let's say that your position is correct.

Here is my question.

Is this an administrative policy of the Department of Justice with the Attorney General of Canada issuing a "Directive" to the Canada Revenue Agency to cease all applications of the "right of set-off" as provided for in Subsection 164(2) of the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) for all debts owing to the Crown or to Her Majesty in Right of Canada, including Federal student loans that have become "statute-barred"?

If so, can you produce that policy or any other documentation issued by the Department of Justice to support your position? I have never heard of such a policy and I am sure that our many readers and members would be keenly interested if such a policy or documentation could be provided or reproduced on this forum.

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Footloose,
CSLP and other departments often do things 'according to policy' even though there is no such policy. 
Sometimes it works in our favour, sometimes it doesnt.

For an example , there used to be a 'policy' to refuse to send Disability Forms to borrowers who were in default.  It turns out there was no such policy and I had to get the media involved to prove it and get a response.

In that case it was a situation in which clarifying a policy helped us in the long run. 

Demanding the CRA or another department to produce a directive might cause them to re-evaluate and end a practice that helps people.

Hope your efforts don't move us in that direction, cause I'm sure you wouldnt want to bring additional stress to borrowers.
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@Mark O'Meara

I raised this question because a neighbour of mine operated a very successful business in 1995-1996 to which he did not remit any employee withholdings, GST collected and a large amount of income tax that he personally owed. He showed me an account update that he received from the Winnipeg Taxation Office in 2010 showing that the balance owing including interest and penalties was in excess of $300,000. He has never been issued a judgment from the Federal court, had his wages garnished or any assets seized. Clearly, this debt is "statute-barred".

However, each year when he files his personal income tax return, the CRA withholds his income tax refund and applies the refund to his outstanding debt. This has happened since 1998. Surprisingly enough, he has always received his quarterly GST rebate. Go figure. This one is a real "head-scratcher".

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In respect of Canada student loans, the govenrment of Canada removes all liens anchored that would result in a set-off. That is the procedure. The debt is hauled out of active recovery and is placed in an isolated location where it is pretty much entombed. Because it is debt, it remains in that state until such time when the borrower either applies for new funding to return to studies, or acknowleges the debt in a voluntary fashion. However, if the borrower so chooses to enjoy the benefit and protection because of a limitation, it is his or her legal right. Justice Canada and the office of the AGOC recognizes and treats a limitation issue exactly as described above here.
Limitation law is quite convoluted. For instance, the statute of limitation to prosecute concerning a certain crime runs out, then the criminal is scott free from any future prosecution of that particular crime, unless of course a new crime has been commited by that offender, and is once again subject to prosecution if caught. So, after the limitation period to prosecute has expired the crime cannot be extinguished because it happened. However, the offender (if known) cannot be approached any further for that crime. If law enforcement does approach the offender they have to be very careful so as not to break the law in that respect.
 
So, in my opinion, the spirit of limitation law is being ignored in each and every instance when a student loan borrower happens to be pursued by the system whereas a limitation issue is in place. There are ways borrowers can eforce that they are not hindered, harassed, or chastised again after barring.
 
  
 
 
The CSLA and CSLFA pertain to Canada student loans. Tax law is a little more complex than student loan law. In the case you have dfescribed concerning you neighbor, I have participated with individuals in cases of arbitrary assessments whereas a substantial tax liability was created. No action or proceedings were taken, nor was the tax debt acknoweldged in a 6-year period from the date that the amount owing originated. Liens anchored in on rebates were removed in these cases.
 
However, if a tax debtor challenges that assessment, then the limitation period would simply be reset when the government responds to that tax debtor's opposition. The government is allowed to take a lengthy period of time if they so choose.  This is how some of this was explained to me.
 
Footloose, I do admire your knowledge and ability to discern law. I wish I had that gift man.
 
  
 
  
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