This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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So in layman's terms Federal law in this instance supercedes provincial law right?
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And so, are you telling me that Federal law always supersedes Provincial law? For your information, I will reproduce the entire section of Paragraph 16(1)(k) of the Ontario Limitations Act, 2002.

No Limitation Period

16.(1) There is no limitation period in respect of;

(k) a proceeding to recover money owing in respect of student loans, medical resident loans, awards or grants made under the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act, the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act or the Canada Student Loans Act.

When the lawyers ( both government and those in private practice ) sat down and drafted this Act in 2002, they specifically wanted to include all student loans, both Provincial and Federal that had been issued by a financial institution in Ontario within the provisions of the new Ontario Limitations Act. And if these lawyers truly believed that these newly drafted provisions pertaining to the two Federal Acts, would be unenforceable and Ultra Vires of the new Limitations Act, then why were they drafted and passed into law by the Ontario Legislature? Are you saying that the lawyers who drafted this new Act were totally unaware or ignorant of the 6 year limitation provisions of both the Canada Student Loans Act and the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act? Hardly!!

You should note that Direct Student Loans made after July 31, 2000 are not caught within these provisions.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the legality of this provision has never been challenged and no Justice of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice or of the Ontario Court of Appeal has struck down this paragraph or issued an order to delete any reference to the two Federal Acts. If the provisions of Paragraph 16(1)(k) are illegal, null and void and unenforceable then why has this provision of the Ontario Limitations Act, 2002 been allowed to stand if it cannot be enforced?

I will be awaiting a LEGAL response.

 

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Awesome. Can't wait to see the name of the attorney who can legally conclude that a federal student loan is not bound to any limitations in the province of Ontario.  Perhaps get this legal advice in writing and scan it in.
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Originally posted by footloose footloose wrote:

When the lawyers ( both government and those in private practice ) sat down and drafted this Act in 2002, they specifically wanted to include all student loans, both Provincial and Federal that had been issued by a financial institution in Ontario within the provisions of the new Ontario Limitations Act. And if these lawyers truly believed that these newly drafted provisions pertaining to the two Federal Acts, would be unenforceable and Ultra Vires of the new Limitations Act, then why were they drafted and passed into law by the Ontario Legislature? Are you saying that the lawyers who drafted this new Act were totally unaware or ignorant of the 6 year limitation provisions of both the Canada Student Loans Act and the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act? Hardly!!
 
Maybe they all met downtown at the Elephant & Castle on a Friday after work and afer 8 or 9 pints the liquid courage kicked in, which gave them all super powers or something.
 
Student loans carry a 6 year limitation period. Ontario guaranteed student loans are legally recoverable at all times except for those that the old limitation law applies to.
 
The reason the 6-year limitation period for risk shared loans in Ontario is in place is because of the FEDERAL legislation that applies to student loans borrowed under FEDERAL laws. Otherwise, a risk loan in Ontario would carry a 2-year limitation period as with other types of traditional consumption debt.
 
Fact: The federal law is NOT silent.
 
So, the bank is bound by the laws that apply to the program in which the student loan was written under. Take your issue to the legislative assembly or the Attorney General for Canada and see how far you get with this argument.
   

Originally posted by footloose footloose wrote:

I will be awaiting a LEGAL response.

What good is a legal opinion. Go get a ruling.
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Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

 Student loans carry a 6 year limitation period.
  
 
Forgot to mention that Quebec student loans carry  five-year limitation, extended to 10 years providing the Quebec Ministry signs and issues a written final demand before the expiry of the prescribed limitation period. In this case the limitation is extended for another 5 years, totalling 10 years.
 
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Footloose,

Who's side are you on??? Because if you are on neither side but looking to give advice that is in the best interest of the person you seek to "educate" then you would not be regurgitating legal jargon without explaining it, nor would you be telling them to "face their debt".

So what is "facing your debt"???? Does it mean paying it off even though the banks have by now recovered most of these funds in tax breaks and bailouts?  Does it mean ruining your credit history for the next 10 years just  so that someone gets their money?? What is it??? What does "educating one consumer at a time" mean to you mean because from where I'm sitting it's clear that your advice serves to harm and not help... unless of course, you're a creditor. 
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Wow, interesting discussion.  Speaking of federal rules trumping Ontario rules/laws, I find it kind of weird that when someone applies for a Disability - there are 2 forms that have to be filled out.  One is the provincial ODSP, and the other is the Federal.  If the province denies the claim, but the feds approve it - then the province has to change their decision. 
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Footloose: If you claim there is no statute of limitations on Federal loans, how do you account for the Ottawa Citizen's article and statistics / quote from the Parliamentary Budget Officer who admits stats barred exists as of March 2, 2012:

"Ottawa is being forced to write off nearly $312 million in unpaid Canada Student Loans from 98,448 debts dating back more than a decade because the government says "all reasonable efforts to collect the amount owed have been exhausted."

"The loans referenced have not received payment in six years," Alyson Queen, spokeswoman for Human Resources and Skills Development Minister Diane Finley, said Friday in an email.
"The loans were deemed unrecoverable and as such have been written off."
More than 98 per cent of the loans written off by the government are dropped because of the expiry of a six-year limitation period between when the borrower last acknowledged a loan and any legal activity by the Crown to recoup that debt, according to the department.
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Thank you for your well thought-out post regarding the Statute of Limitations on Federal student loans. I truly appreciate someone who has read my posts and has responded with an intelligeent reply and asking for further clarification of my comments. I also appreciate your reference to the article that appeared in the Ottawa Citizen noting the write-off of over $300 million of Federal student loans that are deemed uncollectible due to the current 6 year limitation period as detailed in both the Canada Student Loans Act as well as the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act.

The article in the Ottawa Citizen actually raises more questions than it answers. Here's why:

1. While the article refers to Federal student loans, it provides no information on which Federal student loans were written off. There are basically 3 types of Federal student loans starting on August 1, 1964 with "Guaranteed" student loans that were issued under the Canada Student Loans Act. Beginning on August 1, 1995 and ending on July 31, 2000, there were
"Risk-Shared" student loans issued under the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act. And while the financial institutions that issued these loans during this time period were ultimately responsible for their collection, student loans issued under this Act for which no payment had been made to the financial institution for 18 months following a student's end-of-study period were then returned back to the Federal government for collection. These loans were then known as "Put-Back" loans. And finally, all Federal student loans that were issued after July 31, 2000 were known as "Direct" student loans.

2. While Federal student loans are issued in all Provinces and Territories, the article was silent as to where these Federal student loans that were written off originated.

3. While the article made it "daylite" clear that the reason these Federal student loans were written off is because they survived the 6 year limitation period clearly stated in both the Canada Student Loans Act and the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act, this is precisely why when the new Ontario Limitations Act, 2002 was written, passed and proclaimed in force effective January 1, 2004 that it included Paragraph 16(1)(k) which provides NO LIMITATION PERIOD for Federal student loans issued under the Canada Student Loans Act and the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act. The lawyers responsible for drafting this Statute were pressured by the financial community in Ontario to include this provision in the new Limitations Act as they foresaw the mounting student debt and the resulting inability of many students to honour their committments resulting in defaulted student loans. Under the current Federal legislation of a 6 year limitation period to commence a legal proceeding, they wanted that limitation period extended to a NO LIMITATION PERIOD knowing that while some students after finishing their studies may not be gainfully employed and therefore not able to repay their loans, at some time in the future, they most likely will be employed full-time and earning an income commensurate with their ability to repay their student loans.

In my previous post, I clearly stated the following: "When the lawyers ( both government and those in private practice ) sat down and drafted this Act in 2002, they specifically wanted to include all student loans, both Provincial and Federal that had been issued by financial institutions in Ontario within the provisions of the new Ontario Limitations Act." You will note that I specifically referred to Ontario and not to other Provinces and Territories. The significance of that statement is that Federal student loans issued in other Provinces and Territtories are still subject to the 6 year limitation period provided for in the two Federal Acts. However, any Province or Territory can elect to opt out of any Federal limitation provision providing they provide for a separate limitation provision for the Federal Acts within their own Limitation Statute. This is precisely what Ontario has done.

In addition, I also clearly stated the following: "You should note that Direct Student Loans made after July 31, 2000 are not caught within these provisions." The significance of this statement is that all Federal student loans issued after July 31, 2000 are still subject to the 6 year limitation period regardless of which Province or Territory in which they were issued.

Any Federal Department or any Province can elect to opt out of the general limitation provisions found in Section 32 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act providing they make a separate limitation provision for it. Under both the Canada Student Loans Act and the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act, a separate limitation provision is clearly stated. It just happens to coincide with the limitation provision provided for by the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act.

CROWN LIABILITY AND PROCEEDINGS ACT

Provincial laws applicable

32. Except as otherwise provided in this Act, or in any other Act of Parliament, the laws relating to prescriptions and the limitations of actions in force in a province between subject and subject apply to any proceedings by or against the Crown in respect of a cause of action arising otherwise than in a province shall be taken within six years after the cause of action arose.

In the matter heard in the Supreme Court of Canada on December 4, 2003, File No 28717 between the Appellant, Her Majesty the Queen and the Respondent, Joe Markevich, it was held that the Appellant's case was dismissed becauase it did not come within the provisions of Section 32 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act.

Here is a brief synopsis of the case. In 1985, Joe Markevich was issued assessments by Revenue Canada for a tax liability in excess of $230,000 to which he did not object. No attempts were made to collect on this tax liability until 1997 when the tax liability along with accrued interest had grown to an amount in excess of $770,000. Mr. Markevich made a Motion to the Federal Court to have this lawsuit "quashed" but the Motions Judge disagreed. Mr. Markevich then appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal to have the decision of the Motions Judge overturned. The Federal Court of Appeal overturned the decision of the Motions Judge and Her Majesty the Queen then appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada. The Supreme Court of Canada agreed with the Federal Court of Appeal and dismissed the appeal.

At the time of the appeal, Section 222 of the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) read as follows:

222. All taxes, interest, penalties, costs and other amounts payable under this Act to her Majesty and recoverable as such in the Federal Court or any other court of competent jurisdiction or in any other manner provided by this Act.

As can be clearly seen, the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) did not provide for a specific limitation period for the collection of taxes, interest, penalties and other amounts payable under this Act to her Majesty and relied entirely on the limitation period as provided in Section 32 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act, namely, six years.

After the Crown's appeal was dismissed, the Department of Finance immediately decided to change the wording of Section 222 of the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) and provide for a separate and different limitation period, thus overriding any limitation period as provided for in Section 32 of the Federal Crown Liability and Proceedings Act.

Here is how Section 222 of the Income Tax Act ( Canada ) currently reads:

Limitation Period

222.(4) The limitation period for the collection of a tax debt of a taxpayer

(a) begins

(i) if a notice of assessment or a notice referred to in subsection 226(1) in resprct of the tax debt is sent to or is served on the taxpayer after March 3, 2004, on the day that is 90 days after the day on which the last one of these notices is sent or served, and

(ii) if subparagraph (i) does not apply and the tax debt was payable on March 4, 2004, or would have been payable on this date but for a limitation period that otherwise applied to the collection of the tax debt, on March 4, 2004, and

(b) ends, subject to subsection (8) on the day that is 10 years after the day on which it begins.

As you can see, the Department of Finance has elected to opt out of the limitation provisions of Section 32 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act and provide for a separate limitation period for the collection of taxes, interest, penalties and other amounts under the Income Tax Act ( Canada ).

And Section 32 also provides for any province to elect out of any Federal limitation provision and provide for their own limitation provision within their own Limitation Act. And that is precisely what the drafters of the new Ontario Limitation Act, 2002 did with the inclusion of Paragraph 16(1)(k).

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Footloose,
You argument refers to tax debt. Student loans are not tax debt.

As for your comment  "In my previous post, I clearly stated the following: "When the lawyers ( both government and those in private practice ) sat down and drafted this Act in 2002, they specifically wanted to include all student loans, both Provincial and Federal that had been issued by financial institutions in Ontario within the provisions of the new Ontario Limitations Act." 

Well, when the lawyers for Intel sat down and decided that they would apply for a trademark for the 286, 386, 486 and soon to be released 586, they did so trying to protect the CPU numbering system.  But they were incompetent and werent really aware of the trademark law that says you cant trademark a numbering system.  They then had to scramble and hire a marketing firm to come with a name which was Pentium......    Probably ditto for these provincial lawyers...  they can do all they want but they must follow the laws as described in the posts above.  Also, stats show that 75% of student loans are from Ontario and BC...so the likelyhood of them being Ontario and BC student loans is VERY high.

BTW, from now on could you please post in regular font as it messes up the display for the mobile users.

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Footloose,

Please stop regurgitating info that does not pertain to this thread. All you have manged to do so far is confuse people by copying and pasting legal rhetoric. Also, it clearly shows your bias.

Was that an intelligent enough reply for you, or should I copy and paste some legal jargon?


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Footlose wrote:

"1. While the article refers to Federal student loans, it provides no information on which Federal student loans were written off."
 
I will tell you which ones are barred. EVERY single one of them whereas no payment, acknowledement,or litigation has occurred for the six year limitation period (from either the date of subrogation prior to April 2000 or upon active recovery by Canada Revenue agency's recovery unit) that IS in place for every guaranteed Canada student loan, and ANY other student loan that falls under and applies to the FEDERAL legislation.
 
So this applies to loans before August 2003 and after. The article from the Ottawa Citizen though relates to student loans that have barred this year as a result of no activity, acknowledgment, or litigation by Crown beginning six years ago. The tally on loans barred since the beginning is more than 310 million.
 
      
 
 
 
  
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