This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 08/February/2004 at 12:50pm

I have a Canada student loan of which is comprised of aproximately $55 000 of debt between all the three loans, provincial, Federal before 1999 and New federal loan. I have currently been in default of my loans for almost 8 months. I cannot afford to make the monthly amount of payments as I am a father and my alliegences lie elsewhere than in the palms of our great financial institutions. My gross annual income is approximately $42, 000/year cdn. My first inquiry is now that the loans have gone into collections and they have been notifiying myself everyday, every waking hour of my existsence, my question is, what comes next? What is thier next step in the process? How protected are my earnings and should I fear the likelyhood of having my wages being garnished? Furthermore, I have moneys invested in mutual funds, RSP's and so on. Can the financial institutions put a lean on these investments?

Also, I am aware that my any dollar values for a tax return(s) are automatically siezed, so this to me means that there is a form of private information being disclosed between collector and government. My question is what sort of information are these creditor companies disclosed to? Are they aware of my income? Do they have have access to the particulars of my income tax filling?

Also, a friend in a very similar situation said that his income tax return was not claimed by the banks/criditors until he was well into his 2 year of being in default of his loans. Is there a timeline or period that you have between being in default of your Canada students and provincial loans before this seizure of any returns you may have occur?

 

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First of all, the government guaranteed portion of your federal loan goes to the HRDC (Human Resources Development Canada), a government agency. They simply tell CCRA (Canada Customs and Revenue Agency), another government agency that they have a government lein on your tax return, and the CCRA surrenders the return amount to HRDC. Any other information is prohibited by law.

Second, by regulations the (various) agencies have to accept monthly payments (usually even small ones). I haven't heard of anyone being taken to court unless they aren't paying a thing. In order to guaranshee wages, you have to be sued and they have to execute a judgement against you.

You should peruse John's posts on the scare tactics that collection agents use to extort money from you (that's not a typo)
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If the interest on the loans outweighs the gain on the investments, might I suggest using the investments to paydown the loan?  It just doesn't make much sense to have the return on investment cancelled out by the loan interest when you add up your budget.  
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Hope im not too critical but 42k is an ok amount of dough
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nago, 42 may sound like lots of money but consider deductions (which will net around 28 if you're lucky) , rent, groceries, utilities, upkeep of a vehicle, personal obligations etc THEN consider the cost of raising a family.  THEN consider the monthly payments on 55K of debt. any payments goveiac can make will likely cover the interest only.

g, read up on how to deal with collection agencies.  also research the various government regulations pertaining to your province of residence to see what they are entilted to and how the CA should behave.  surf the forums, there is a wealth of info here.

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Investments? You have investments? ("What are these things called 'investments'?" she pondered, turning the strange word over on her tongue...)

Why did you use money to invest rather than pay down your loans first? I'm sorry, but you're talking to people here who barely live paycheque to paycheque, if that, and you can afford to make investments?

Your initial course of action seems pretty obvious to me...

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From what I understand they can not take your investments or I have not read or hear of a case were they have.  I also have very small RRSP that I put money into as well I have a RESP for my kids hoping that someday if they go away to school I can help pay as much as I can for them.  Plus the Government as a push on people getting RRSP so I sure that it benefits them by you having them.

 

As for a timeline for the income tax holding I don't think there is one, it just take time for all the paperwork to go through the Government office.

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if your s/l and investments are held at the same branch they will eventually seize them its called "set off". The institution has every legal recourse to claim a method of payment . My advice to you use your investments to pay down your debt, you may not like the advice but either way if you have the means to do so... do it. If they seek judgment against you, you will have to claim it as net worth... meaning you will more than likely lose it then anyway.

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troy is right but the resp's are safe regardless

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not exactly right mom, the RRSP will only be safe if they are invested thru an an out side investment brokrage eg. investersgroup.

If your defaulted s/l loans and investment savings are held thru the same financial institution they will have all the legal go ahead to either seize them, or freeze the account until judgment has been awarded and executed if/when awarded... 

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mom,

I just read what you had typed, I was refering to RRSP's. RESP's can also be used as equity against debt if the the savings plan is registered to the debter if the plan is registered to family member and you are the administrator of the plan then it would be safe.

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OK ,

After some thought here is a better explaination,

if you purchase your fund thru private company a creditor cannot seize your money at all,. the fund if collapsed would be paid to invester in terms of a cheque to be disposed or cashed at thier discression 

if you purchase the same fund thru a "defaulted" creditor they cannot seize the fund untill the fund is collasped (thanks john for the proper wording) at that time they will deposit the collapsed funds money into your directed account and at that time it becomes seizable..make sense... hope so

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sorry folks....gotta agree with Poly on this one. Gov, don't mean to be a P%^&k, but building for the future should be secondary to dealing with the past. If you have equity it's kind of hard to turn around and plead poverty. Most of us are still at the stage of "I wonder if I can get a credit card now?".

Have you thought about consolidation? If you have equity you may be able to use that to secure a consolidation loan. This would at least get the CA's off your back. Do you rent or own? There's also the option of rolling your consolidation loan into your mortgage.

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I disagree with the statement "building for the future should be secondary to dealing with the past."  Although I believe that one should only do so while meeting their current obligations, I do not think that one should have to put their life on hold until these ridiculous debtloads are cleared up.  I have been investing a small amount into RESPs for my daughter's education along with 20$ from each paycheck into RSPs.  I am still paying what is required on my SL's but am not putting extra money on them.  Since my loans probably won't be paid off until near retirement, I figure I would like to have something waiting for me when I am done.  Also, I will not let my child go through what my husband and I have had to go through regarding SL's.  She will not owe money for student loans if it's the last thing I do.  That said, I think that it is a good idea (if at all possible) to put a small amount away and slowly build for the future.  I think it goes hand in hand with putting yourself first. 
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Hey 1step,

you said it best! It is perfectly OK to plan and invest in your future. as long as you are meeting all of your current financial obligations.

I guess goveiac it boils down to a question of integrity....  

 

 

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The difference Step is that you are meeting your present financial requirements. As long as that is the situation, I perfectly agree that you have the right to do whatever you want with anything left over. My issue is when someone is ignoring past debts even though they have the means to at least make some kind of monthly payments. Maybe I'm in the minority but if its a choice between "putting something away" and meeting the minimum financial responsibility for your student loan.....
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All I am saying is that you don't have to resolve your past before planning your future.  Life ain't long enough.  As for the poster, no, if he can't pay toward the debt he incurred, then he obviously can't or shouldn't continue investing.  I also imagine the CA's will be relentless if/when they ever find out his financial data. 
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Erhm...has anyone noticed that he posted his story in February...and hasn't responded since?

I think we're debating with the wind...

It's a really weird situation; I can somewhat understand people being angry and not paying on principle. I mean, what other loan in existence doesn't give you a clue to what your payments will be in the end? Or give a crap about whether you will be able to pay until yo have to pay? If I had known I would be paying $750 a month in the end, I think I would have had second thoughts about my education!

Maybe they do it now, but when I started uni (pre-internet days), there was no chart stipulating what I could be conceivably paying if I negotiated the loan they gave me.

So, yeah, I understand the reluctance to put one's life on hold for a student loan...but I guess we have to reconsider our insistance that we must achieve certain goals by a certain age...If none of us can reach those touchstones, I'm sure it would have some far-reaching effects on our economy...

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i thought i was the olny one who noticed the post started in feb.  who resurrected this beast anyways ??  nago.  shall we move on ??
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