This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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I wouldn't fill it out either. I have been dealing with CBCL for over 5 years and they have sent me countless questionairres to which I have never sent in a response. Nor have they taken issue with my lack of a response. This is just my experience and CBCL's response. The response of a CA to an uncompleted questionairre may vary depending on the individual collector and/or the CA.

In my experience, as long as I send them regular, uniterrupted monthly payments, they leave me alone. They will rattle my cage when my file is transferred to another collector at CBCL, which is common practice for CA's and is usually marked by a rash of phone calls and then silence for six more months.

 

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i hae been without a computer for a few days and have not been able to read your other post yet but here's my take on the above...

relax first of all.  i am pretty sure that if DH is on disability, they cannot touch him and you should be able to apply for some sort of disability loan forgiveness thing.  i am just unpacking so i will scrounge up a sample letter for you ( i will email it directly to you if that's ok ?) along with some other info which may be of use to you.  it may take a few days though, since i'm not sure where it is.

secondly, DO NOT TOUCH THAT QUESTIONNAIRE.  those tiny words at the bottomn will come back to bite you on the rear

thirdly you are not responsible for DH"s debt.  i know you want to help him make it all go away but if you are paying on it then the CA's will keep after you for more and it will never be enough.  if you can afford a small monthly payment without sacrificing anything you and hubby NEED you have the option to pay them.  remember, no  one will starve if you do not make a payment to the CA.  it may keep them off your back but it may also make them think there's more money there if they squeeze you hard enough.

i would think about banking some cash to offer a settlement down the road.  if DH is on disability the chances are they won't do anything but call and get nasty.

i am not positive but i would think hubby's disability money should be exempt from garnishment since it is his only income, if the bank ever decided to pursue the matter.  wouldn't look very good to a judge to attack a disabled person't income, would it ?

i will check the other thread and see what else i can offer.  while some of us tend to get a little emotional, and we go off topic and we argue, remember that it's only because we are all very sensitive to the various injustices we have suffered as a result of our loan nightmares, and we are all here to offer our support and advice and encouragement.

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pigeon - no permission required.  though i think cesca and DH will have more luck than i since the government doesnt consider my illnesses "disabilities"...though i am still unable to work...
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I apologise.

Feel free to abuse any member of this forum. It's not place to object.

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Here's what DH will be doing on Monday.

Dont worry he wont be touching or returning the FQ. We are not currently paying anything and dont plan to start.

DH has asked the ODSP to deposit his income to our CIBC account. This account was opened just in the last 2 years and has NEVER had any loans whatsoever deposited to it. After the next payment has gone to the new account, then we will close the RBC acct.

DH is also going to ask the Royal Bank for a copy of his SL file - everything that he can get including all letters and the interest relief.

He is also going to request up-to-date credit reports. Then we can decide what to do.

But going on everything I've read here - if we can prove that we cannot pay (and we can since DH is on ODSP and has been for the last 3 years) - then he wants his day in court to prove it.  

Havong spent a few days reading this entire board - especially the "how to deal with collection agencies" forum, I now feel so much more emplowered about dealing with them.  And yes, I have been educating DH at the same time. I tell him interesting things that I read. I am printing out info that he can read as well. But for now I want to be the screener. I want to have fun. 

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If you have a debt in collection, the damage to your credit rating is already done. You may as well let them sue you. It will take many, many months, possibly years, for them to sue you and they may or may not proceed. Even it they do sue you, there is no guarantee they will get a judgement. They cannot touch your assets or garnishee your pay without first suing you and winning a judgement against you. That could take years.

This is essentially our view point as well. DH is a discahrged bankrupt. He has no credit to speak of. If the CA's want money, they can take him to court and demand the judge make us pay. We can show him however many years (by that time) worth of ODSP payment stubs.  I dont believe the CA's have a leg to stand on.

DH has said both to me and to the CA's - its not that he does not want to pay his loan back - he does want to pay it back - and had every intention of paying it back after he left college. He just cannot afford it right now.

DH cant save any money at all since he is now down to receiving between less than 800 per month. (Before I started working he was receiving $1100 per month) Thats because his income is "garnished" (for want of a better word) by ODSP because of my earnings.  I am currently saving to pay off my own immigreation debt - which has top priority.  I then plan to start saving for my own education at college.

One last question. DH's credit report still lists him as single - although we have been married for 4 years.  Are we legally required to update this info? We feel it helps hide my existence.

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Certainly not.

Give them no information. If you feel you ought to, give them misleading information.

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I hope you get your day in court...Personally I never considered that prospect scary because I knew I could prove adminstrative incompetence.

Unfortunately, that threat was never thrown out at me, empty or otherwise. Maybe they knew I could prove it as well.

Wouldn't that be a form of civil disobedience? All of us encourage the collection agencies to take us to court? Clog up the court system with our cases? Judges hearing the same sad story over and over again?

Probably a reason why it wouldn't work though...Probably because the majority of threats are empty.

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