This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.
The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.
Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.
I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.
Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.
Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.
Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.
QuoteReplyTopic: Do I qualify for an automatic discharge? Posted: 19/July/2010 at 3:54am
This is directed to anyone who might know.
I declared bankruptcy on Sept 26th, 2006 and was discharged on June 26th of the following year. At the time of filing, the waiting period for student loans was still 10 years, so my loans were not included on my bankruptcy. It was changed to 7 years one day after my discharge.
My study end date to which my last student loan applies is April 19th, 1999. My ten-year mark would have been April 19th, 2009. My seven year mark was April 19th, 2006.
At the time of filing I was advised by my trustee that the laws may about to be changed and, if that were the case (which obviously happened) I could apply to have my loans added retroactively to my bankruptcy. When the time came around to do finally give it a try, I was told by my trustee that it wasn't guaranteed and it would cost me around $700 to have them handle it for me. Shelling out 700 bucks for something that might not be successful didn't sound like a very good deal to someone with three little ones coming off of a bankruptcy. I've since learned that this is something I can do myself through a hardship application. When I asked my trustee about this, they told me to go to my local courthouse and find an application, and then stopped responding to my e-mails entirely (of course) leaving me completely in the dark as to what the process entails.
I have no clue who my federal/provincial student loan creditors are. I am never hassled, called or mailed. The only thing that reminds me I even have an outstanding loan is the loss of my tax return every year, which is taken by the government to handle an "outstanding debt". They have been doing this since 2001 without fail, except for 2008, for some reason, when my refund was deposited into my bank account. It was taken again for this "outstanding debt" in 2009, and I imagine it will be again this year.
There is no indication on my credit histories from TransUnion and Equifax that I've ever had a student loan, and I can apply and obtain credit without any problem pretty much anywhere that doesn't mind financing someone with a bankruptcy on their credit history.
Here are my questions:
What I'm really wondering first, is if I need to even do go the hardship route? My bankruptcy
date now falls after the new 7-year mark from my last date of study
(April 19th, 2006), my discharge date falls just before the new law
went into force... exactly 1 day before, on July 6th, 2007.
Am I getting scammed and losing my tax returns unnecessarily?
If I do qualify for an automatic discharge of these loans, can I go after the tax returns I have lost since 2008?
If I don't qualify, how difficult is the hardship application process
and how likely would I be to succeed? Here's a little history:
Since leaving school 11 years ago I've been working outside of my field of study. I originally left school to help my mom care for my dad who was undergoing bypass surgery at the time. I never did obtain my degree, and I couldn't return to do so because it was financially impossible. I applied for interest relief until I no longer qualified, which would have been in 2001 sometime, as an individual only qualified for relief for two years back then (no idea what it is now). In 2002 I got married and moved to Alberta from BC in order to pursue a trade. We had our first child in 2003. I moved from Alberta back to BC in 2004 (big mistake, no work), and back to Alberta again in 2006. I now work as a welder, a far cry from the music degree I was originally pursuing. In May of 2009, I was laid off to attend my technical training and around the same time the global economy crashed hard and I found myself indefinitely out of work. What I opted to do, since I was in Alberta and trade school is funded by grants, not loans, was to complete all three years of my technical training back-to-back, hoping that by the time I was finished, jobs would be on the rise again. I finished all my training and lived out the year on EI and grants for school. My EI ran out in January of 2010 and we're now living on Income Support as I've still not been able to find work. I'm still happily married and have five children. I'm confident that in the fall things will pick up and I'll be able to find stable work, and knock off the remaining hours I need to become a journeyman, but right now, things are incredibly tough. Our living expenses total around 3600 a month (bare minimum), and our income is somewhere around 2900, adding in things such as CTB benefit and housing subsidy.
Basically life happened, I guess. I live a completely different life now than the single college guy who accumulated the student debt, but it's still hanging over my head.
I haven't made any live or written contact with any creditor whatsoever about these debts since 2003, which means that for 7+ years the creditor has not made any confirmed contact with me, or received any response in regards to these debts. Wouldn't this alone, aside from the fact that the loan doesn't appear on my credit history, render all of the above moot?
What I'm really wondering first, is if I need to even do go the hardship route? My bankruptcy date now falls after the new 7-year mark from my last date of study (April 19th, 2006), my discharge date falls just before the new law went into force... exactly 1 day before, on July 6th, 2007.
To demonstrate hardship you have to illustrate the extenuating circumstances that will make the demonstration stick. It is a task I will tell you that. I do them frequently and they take a lot of time and material. To complete your bankruptcy quest what you have to do is gather a do-it-yourself tool kit from your area's bankruptcy court and file a section 178. This you can do on your own. There is no need to pay $700-$1600 for this.
Sharkboy wrote:
Am I getting scammed and losing my tax returns unnecessarily?
In my opinion, anyone who is experiencing this is getting bamboozled. CRA has a lot of power and their ability to just make up rules and change laws as they see fit is demonstrative of that. The system has been gaffing income tax and GST rebates from defaulted borrowers even when they are not supposed to be doing it, as in th3e case with some within the community of borrowers whose loans are statute barred. Once called out they cease but do not return monies taken previously.
Sharkboy wrote:
If I do qualify for an automatic discharge of these loans, can I go after the tax returns I have lost since 2008?
Unfortunately, they will retain them.
Sharkboy wrote:
If I don't qualify, how difficult is the hardship application process and how likely would I be to succeed?
As I said up above there, it is difficult. However, if you have the extenuating circumstances to illuistrate in your demonstration you have it made. Convincing arguments make it stick. It is important to know how "they" think. Unfortunately, people who are having to interact with this Crown corporation do not undertand their outlook and cognition.
Sharkboy wrote:
I haven't made any live or written contact with any creditor whatsoever about these debts since 2003, which means that for 7+ years the creditor has not made any confirmed contact with me, or received any response in regards to these debts. Wouldn't this alone, aside from the fact that the loan doesn't appear on my credit history, render all of the above moot?
No. Your bankruptcy was an acknowledgment that suspended any limitations that would bind them from recovering the debt. Bankruptcy complicates things in respect to limitation issues. Bankruptcy (OPD and consumer proposals) resets the limitation clock. Also, the time during the bankruptcy proceedings is added on after the fact simply because the law states that when the crown is unable or "suspended" from action or recovery, the time in which it is suspended is added on after the suspension is lifted.
Johnny
Solve Student Debt specializes in solutions for students and graduates in student loan default, and those at risk of defaulting.
What I'm really wondering first, is if I need to even do go the hardship route? My bankruptcy date now falls after the new 7-year mark from my last date of study (April 19th, 2006), my discharge date falls just before the new law went into force... exactly 1 day before, on July 6th, 2007.
To demonstrate hardship you have to illustrate the extenuating circumstances that will make the demonstration stick. It is a task I will tell you that. I do them frequently and they take a lot of time and material. To complete your bankruptcy quest what you have to do is gather a do-it-yourself tool kit from your area's bankruptcy court and file a section 178. This you can do on your own. There is no need to pay $700-$1600 for this.
I understand this and I'll probably enlist help to get this done, if necessary. What I meant by the question above, however, was if I even need to do this at all? Here's my timeline:
Last date of study: April 19th, 1999 7-year mark (not yet in effect): April 19th, 2006 Date of bankruptcy: September 26th, 2006 (before 7-year change came into force) Discharge date: July 6th, 2007 Date 10-year to 7-year change is put into force - July 7th, 2007 10-year mark: April 19th, 2009
What I'm wondering is if my SL's already qualify for an automatic discharge based on the above timeline, or if I will have to submit a hardship application?
Johnny wrote:
Sharkboy wrote:
Am I getting scammed and losing my tax returns unnecessarily?
In my opinion, anyone who is experiencing this is getting bamboozled. CRA has a lot of power and their ability to just make up rules and change laws as they see fit is demonstrative of that. The system has been gaffing income tax and GST rebates from defaulted borrowers even when they are not supposed to be doing it, as in th3e case with some within the community of borrowers whose loans are statute barred. Once called out they cease but do not return monies taken previously.
So if I "call them out" (not sure exactly how to do this), they will stop taking my returns?
Johnny wrote:
Sharkboy wrote:
If I do qualify for an automatic discharge of these loans, can I go after the tax returns I have lost since 2008?
Unfortunately, they will retain them.
No worries, didn't really expect any miracles there. Thanks for the info.
Johnny wrote:
Sharkboy wrote:
If I don't qualify, how difficult is the hardship application process and how likely would I be to succeed?
As I said up above there, it is difficult. However, if you have the extenuating circumstances to illuistrate in your demonstration you have it made. Convincing arguments make it stick. It is important to know how "they" think. Unfortunately, people who are having to interact with this Crown corporation do not undertand their outlook and cognition.
5 children 7 and under, unemployed welder currently on Income Support. Even if I do find work this fall we'll still be living well under the poverty line for a family of our size. We're used to it, slavery is pretty easy to adjust to once you just let it in.
Johnny wrote:
Sharkboy wrote:
I haven't made any live or written contact with any creditor whatsoever about these debts since 2003, which means that for 7+ years the creditor has not made any confirmed contact with me, or received any response in regards to these debts. Wouldn't this alone, aside from the fact that the loan doesn't appear on my credit history, render all of the above moot?
No. Your bankruptcy was an acknowledgment that suspended any limitations that would bind them from recovering the debt. Bankruptcy complicates things in respect to limitation issues. Bankruptcy (OPD and consumer proposals) resets the limitation clock. Also, the time during the bankruptcy proceedings is added on after the fact simply because the law states that when the crown is unable or "suspended" from action or recovery, the time in which it is suspended is added on after the suspension is lifted.
So what you're saying is that my loans are not statute-barred now until July 6th, 2013, based on my discharge of July 6th, 2007? Odd that they never come knocking for them... whoever "they" are... I've certainly never hidden from anyone.
A couple more questions, if you don't mind... (thanks so much for your time and input already):
My loans came from all kinds of different places. I have Canada and BC loans through Scotiabank taken out in 1995, 1996, 97, and 98 (I believe, it's been a long time). I also have a Canada and BC loan taken out in 1994 through TD Canada Trust (before all the privatization) that was transferred to and assumed by Scotiabank in the fall of 2005.
I have absolutely zero idea as to who the creditors are for these debts at this time, as there's been so many changes to the system back and forth over the last 15 years, and I'm afraid that if I try to contact people to find out and get them all lined up I'll red-flag myself for more harassment (up until now it's been pretty peaceful). From what I know, it was Scotiabank that was trying to contact me back in 2k3, but I've not heard from them since that year. The only indication I get that I even have any kind of student debt is from the federal government, once a year, in the form of a letter stating that they're going to retain my tax return to cover an outstanding student loan debt... I'm not even sure if it's the entire debt, or simply the federal portion of it. There's nothing on my credit history about the loans, either.
So I guess what I'm asking is: 1. How do I go about getting this information together without painting a target on my forehead, and: 2. If I don't qualify for an automatic discharge of my loans, can I use the kits your firm provides to do the hardship application process?
Pardon me if any of this is difficult to understand in any way. Please feel free to ask for further clarification if needed.
At this point I'm so tired of all of it hanging over my head I would be willing to just declare bankruptcy a second time and make it all go away. Pretty sure that won't be necessary though. Thanks again, John.
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