This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 23/June/2005 at 3:56am
Hi everyone,

I have been reading all of the different posts on this site and have not found any evidence of anyone settling with the CAs. Those running the site always provide vague answers when it comes to settling.

Well, I HAVE settled with collectcorp and metro credit adjusters on 3 different accounts. 2 were settled at 35% and 1 at 30%. The initial amounts owing were in excess of $55,000, so I have some pretty good experience dealing with these scum.

My question is whether anyone else has settled and for how much? I have more debt to settle and want to know if I made a wise decision or if I should be holding out for 25% or less.
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Were these CSL's or provincial loans or loans with the bank?  There's so many different loan variables.  Were you on interest relief for awhile?  Were your loans in default or in good standing?  How old were they?  How long before they settled?

 

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These were bank loans/credit lines...not really student loans but I did use them as such in the U.S.

They had been outstanding for nearly 1.5 years. The longer you wait the better, I think. I have received numerous legal notices, threats etc. but I really can't do much and then you realize that most of these letters mean nothing.

I'd really like to find someone that has gone through a similar process, since I am learning as I go.
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 "I have been reading all of the different posts on this site and have not found any evidence of anyone settling with the CAs. Those running the site always provide vague answers when it comes to settling."

 Each case is different. It is impossible to give advice or answer someone's questions when only a tenth of the story is being told. 

 Just to shed some light on this .. it is not the collection agency that you are settling with. It is the lender or your creditor. 

 Debts can be settled for any amount providing it is done in accordince with good faith. It all depends on that individual's situation. Remember, settlements are not meant to just save a buck. They are a comnpromise made due to hardhsip and financial obstructions that cause long-term problems.

 Just remember one thing ... when people are looking for answers to their questions, it is impossible to give an absolute asnwer when only a small part of the equation is given.

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Fair enough. And I totally agree on settling not to "save a buck". It is just a very good solution so that you are not trapped making payments for a very long time.

If it were not for the ridiculous interest rates and fees charged, it would be a lot easier to maintain a payment stream.

In my case, I came under financial hardship due to my business failing. I tried to restructure my loans, but the banks were more interested in charging me fees and blowing me off. I warned them time and again with no respect on their part. Well now they can enjoy 30 cents on the dollar.

They hit you when you're down and then expect you to not be a "deadbeat".
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This website is more related to student debt where settling is less likely (if I understand correctly).  I agree with the issue of paying forever.  If student loans weren't treated like a business (high interest rates) then there'd be less problem with repaying.

 

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 Paying forever is a real hardship in the event that there is no real ability to pay in a reasonable allotment of time. The finance system is a profiting one, indeed. Some would argue that but those who do are part of the system. The system gavels down on claims of abuse and valued profit over life as nothing more than a matter of interpretation.

 They will also say that for one person who acts in good faith there are 20 others who fully intend to frustrate the system if they had the chance.

 I say you take the good, you take the bad, you take em both, and there you have the facts of life. The one who acts in good faiths profits much more in the long run.

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Johnny, in your experience...what is the lowest % they will accept on a credit card debt after it has been outstanding for 1yr+ and I have no assets and job to speak of?

Also, I realize this is a student debt site, but I don't know of any regular debt sites like this one. Does anyone else know of any?
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My site is for students, consumers, University Students, Income tax crisis and maitenance enforcement crisis, and so on. www.cfwgroup.ca and the forum is at www.cfwgorup.ca/forum.

 In my experience, I have seen settlements as low as 7% in hardship situations.

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Great! Thanks for the info. I appreciate your help.
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Anytime.

 

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Trouble with Mark Silverthorn

I recieved a letter from his office which I am fully aware has a few things wrong & illegal with. Attached was a draft copy of filing papers with the courts and that he is going to sue for this CIBC Visa debt. I have also been informed that statue of limitations for debts is 2 years from date it is recieved.  

I dont owe CIBC whereas I had my identity stolen about 2 years ago (actually immediately after I purchased my car). Their office advised me that this account was opened in May of 2003 and it does not include a SIN (that has been changed anyways due to ID theft).   I have asked many times for copies of this application and for a statement from them or any transactions proof they have from this card.  To date I havent recieved anything.  The woman I spoke with advised me that this account has been through two agencies.  I have come the end of my rope with being polite with these people not to mention it is borderline harrassment now.  What can I do about this?  They have threatened garnishment and I work a large canadian Firm that from what rumour has you can be terminated after the debt is paid. 

Please help I am ready to file bankrupt to start over for myself & my child.  

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Don't panic.

Wages cannot be garnished before judgment. 

Therefore to garnishee your wages they must get a judgement against you (they must sue you).  When you are served the papers there is an option to dispute it by filing an application of dispute.  You will be given a hearing date and it is at that hearing that you have the opportunity to demand proof that you owe the debt.  If they cannot provide proof then the debt cannot be enforced.

With the above in mind, when they threaten to sue you, say PLEASE!

 

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"You will be given a hearing date and it is at that hearing that you have the opportunity to demand proof that you owe the debt."

 Uhhhh. No.

 The defense would be to challenge the proof of claim - and have it tabled for examination to determine if the debt is valid BEFORE any hearing. Then, once the plaintiff sees that he or she would be wasting a ton of time and money to fight a losing battle, they would vacate on that premise.

If you establish that the debt is erroneous, or cannot be proven, and the plaintiff is unwaivering and will proceed regadless of the fact that a defense is rock-solid, then the hearing is set. Waiting until the hearing date to raise this argument would do nothing more than aggitate the judge. He or she would say, "Why the heck didn't you state that in your defense, and why would you wait until the last minute to pipe this out?" That trick does not work in a court room.

The most common defense in the book is, "It wasn't me your honor, it was ther one-armed man."

 Concerned,

 If you didn't accvrue the debt then you have nothing to worry about.

 Contact the CIBC ombudsman's office (Joesph Toimar is pretty good), and escalate this. Tell him that you want a signature verification exam so you can proive that you did not sign on any loan or credit agreement. If you need help, geive me a holler. I can make this happen for you.

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Maybe I'm confusing the issue.

http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/civil/smallclaims/guides/wh at_is_small_claims/index.htm

The notice of claim
The first thing Lois has to do is get a notice of claim form from the small claims court registry near her, and fill it out. The instructions are all included with the form.

Then she takes the form to the registry where a person behind the counter checks it for her. She pays the filing fee and the clerk gives her back several copies of the form and a blank reply form. This is called "filing" the notice of claim.

The blank reply form and one of the copies of the notice of claim is for Norman. This will tell him what the lawsuit is about and will give him the form he needs to answer it. Lois knows that he is avoiding her, so she asks a friend to take the papers to Norman. Norman then has 14 days, from the day he received the papers, to file his reply.

The reply
When Norman receives the notice of claim, he is upset. He does owe Lois money, but it was supposed to be a no-interest loan and now she says he agreed to pay 10 per cent interest. And $700 of the money she gave him was payment for repairs he did to her car. He has already repaid $500, so he figures he still owes her $800. He would pay that now if he could, but he doesn't have the money.

Norman fills out the reply form. In it he admits that he owes her $800 but says $700 of the money Lois gave him was payment for repairs he did to her car. He denies that he owes any interest and asks for a payment schedule. He says he could pay $100 a month for eight months.

Norman takes the completed form to the small claims court registry where Lois filed the notice of claim. (The address was on the form.) The staff checks the form and accepts it for filing. There is a fee for filing the reply.

The registry now mails a copy of Norman's reply to Lois. (Norman doesn't have to give it to her personally because on her notice of claim she had to give her own address where she could be reached by mail.)

The settlement conference
The next thing that happens is that Lois and Norman both get a notice in the mail telling them to come to a settlement conference.

At the settlement conference, the judge looks at the notice of claim, and the reply, and asks Lois and Norman a few questions. The judge tries to see if there is any chance the two can agree.

Lois eventually agrees that the loan was supposed to be interest-free. But they can't agree about the $700 for car repairs. Lois also isn't happy about waiting eight months to get back $800.

The judge can make a payment order right then for the $800. There will have to be a trial about the $700 difference. The judge talks to them about what sort of evidence each of them will need to bring. They agree on a date for the trial.

The trial
At the trial the judge lets Lois and Norman tell their own stories and then reply to what the other person says, and call witnesses. The judge accepts the evidence of Lois' mechanic that Norman did not do the work he said he did. The judge's decision is that Norman must pay Lois the $700 remaining on the loan.

Then the judge asks Norman how he plans to pay the judgment. Norman says that $100 a month is still all he can afford. Lois says she doesn't believe that and she needs the money sooner. They agree to come back later for a payment hearing.

The payment hearing
At the payment hearing, the judge asks Norman questions about his finances. Lois gets to ask some questions too. Finally, the judge orders that Norman pay $100 a month plus $500 in April, when he receives his income tax return.

What if the defendant ignores the whole thing?
This often happens. A person receives a notice of claim and just does nothing. If that happened to Lois, she would have to go back to the small claims court registry after the time limit for Norman's reply had passed. If she could prove that Norman had been properly served with the papers, she would get an order for payment against Norman for the amount she was claiming, and pay the filing fee for this order. This is called a default order. She could then enforce that order just as if it had been made by a judge following a trial.

What will it cost me for my case?
That will depend on how you handle your case, how the defendant responds to your claim and how you choose to proceed if you win your case.

There are fees set by the small claims rules for registry services and sheriff services. .

In addition to the set fees, there may be expenses and interest added on to the total owing. If any costs are to be added to anyone's case, the judge or registry staff will make the decision.

In most situations the fees and expenses can be added to the total amount the unsuccessful party has to pay. This means the costs the defendant had to pay may be charged against the claimant if the defendant is successful with a counterclaim.

If you do end up hiring a lawyer to represent you, the fees you pay to the lawyer can't be added to your judgment.

Anyone who cannot afford the registry fees may make an application to the registrar to be exempted from paying the fees.

If I win my case am I guaranteed to get my money?
Unfortunately, no. The court can give you tools you can use to collect your money - such as a payment hearing or a garnishing order. In the most extreme cases, when someone deliberately ignores a court order, a judge can send a debtor to jail. But some people will not pay and some cannot.

It is frustrating to spend time and money to prove a claim in court and then still be unable to collect what is owing to you. If you are thinking about making a claim in small claims court - or in any court, for that matter - you should first consider what your chances are of collecting, if you should win.

What if I don't like the judge's decision?
A small claims court decision can be appealed to the Supreme Court. But an appeal will cost money, take time and the result might not be any different.


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One other thing...

In some jurisdictions, a pre-judgment garnishment IS possible. That would normally be a bank account garnishment. In that case the contents of an account up to the claim amount are paid into court where it is held pending a disposition of the case.

Just thought I'd mention it.

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 "When Norman receives the notice of claim, he is upset. He does owe Lois money, but it was supposed to be a no-interest loan and now she says he agreed to pay 10 per cent interest. And $700 of the money she gave him was payment for repairs he did to her car. He has already repaid $500, so he figures he still owes her $800. He would pay that now if he could, but he doesn't have the money."

 First of all, Norman and Lois are fictional characters created by the province o0f Alberta. Second, the situation that we were debating previously was about an individual who claims that he or she had NEVER taken out an account with CIBC - thus not being responsible for it at all.

 People who do not owe money can easily prove that the debt is not theirs by providing a signature for authentication or forensic examination. If he or she owed the money, and it could be proven so because he or she who does not owe is not responsible. These cases rarely hit the inside of a courtroom because people who do not owe money can avoi8d these proceedings by simply proving their case. It is simple.

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Wouldn't that be called Statutory right of off-set? That is how my attorney here described that process. The only thing is that it is done by a bank - when the particular debtor has an account at that same branch with money in it.

IE: You owe Royal Bank for a PLOC for 15K. You don;t pay them/ You have a RBC savings account with 5K sitting in it. They collapse the acoc**t and apply that money to the delinquent debt.

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Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

Wouldn't that be called Statutory right of off-set? That is how my attorney here described that process. The only thing is that it is done by a bank - when the particular debtor has an account at that same branch with money in it.


IE: You owe Royal Bank for a PLOC for 15K. You don;t pay them/ You have a RBC savings account with 5K sitting in it. They collapse the acoc**t and apply that money to the delinquent debt.


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What you have described above is, indeed, an offset principle.

However, pre-judgement garnishment procedure (which is used extremely rarely BTW) is something totally different:

Let's say you decide to sue someone and you have strong reasons to believe that they might liquidate/hide all of their assets by the time the judgement is ready and the enforcement procedures are put in place. In that case, you can ask the Court to basically freeze the other party's assets until the case is complete. However, that requires: (a) you having some very strong evidence of your allegations and (b) for you to put a security/bond with the court in the amount that exceeds the value of the assets you are trying to freeze.
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That is exactly what I wanted to know. I knew there was more to it.

 Thanks Agent.

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