This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 06/February/2005 at 7:31am

Can anyone recommend a lawyer who is familiar with bankruptcy and student loans.  I filed for bankruptcy in May 1998 and was discharged in Feb. 1999. The limitation period was changed from 2 years to 10 in June 1998. I'm trying to determine whether I fall within the 2 year or 10 year limitation. I last attened school in Dec. 1996. I'm getting different stories from different people and would like to try to get this resolved (if I fall within the 2 year limitation I would like go to court to have the student loan discharged). Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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I don't think ANY lawyer is familiar or interested, to be honest.

And the fact that your bankruptcy trustee can't or won't clear up this issue is just another thing (among many) that is wrong with declaring in the first place. *sigh*

You're better off consulting Johnny.

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Hi mbaker, I think unfortunately poly. is probably right.  I'm actually a third year law student and I'll tell you you'll have a hard time finding any lawyer to take on student loan issues.  Its just not a profitable enterprise.  You could try talking to someone at a Legal Aid clinic near your place of residence or a legal aid clinic at a law school if you live near one...they may not be willing to go to court with you but they might be able to give you some advice.  Good luck.
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If you read the bankruptcy riot act (BIA), you will see that lawyers are only involved in corporate bankruptcy because of their complexity, and the amount of money involved. You could bring a lawyer, but it will cost you big time! I'm sure there are many lawyers who would be happy to take your money. I suggest that you email a few trustees to find out the answers you need.
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I second Poly's advice, mbaker!!!!!
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This brings back some memories. My trustee who I paid
$ 1500 was not aware of many of the rules in the BK Act. I had to point them out to her. Like Duh~~ Whose paying who for their services?

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Mbaker,

You might consider contacting the same law firm used by Annick Chenier and the Canadian Federation of Students in the bankruptcy charter challenge. The lawyer's name is Todd Burke and you will be able to find additional information about him and (I think) his ottawa-based firm via a simple google search.

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Well, Mesonic, you could start a trend and become a throwback to the 60s where some people became lawyers to fight the injustices of the system and bring an end to this student loan misery.

Or sue the pants off of Collections Agencies for their flagrant breach of law and decency. That works for me too
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Hi Lugarou, well if I'm ever able to sort out my stupid student loan problems with the CIBC so I can increase my credit line and actually pay off Osgoode and graduate...I do plan to do social justice work. I'm actually hoping to article at a community legal aid clinic near my home.   Poverty law and social injustices have been my focus throughout law school.  Actually you'd be surprised there are a number of us in law school who went there to actually try to make the world a better place.  Unfortunately due to the incredibly high cost of law school many students coming out are forced to take corporate jobs just to pay of their debt.  BUt I really don't care debt or not I went to law school to help the world not make it worse so I'll be poor and in debt for the rest of my life.  Hahahaha, my friends joke and say I'll be the only broke lawyer in Toronto.  Oh well. 

And for the record I would love sue any and all collection agents. Maybe I'll just go on a suing rampage when I finally get my licence to practice. Hahahahahahaha...

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 Lugarou,

 What type of student debt problem do you suffer from? Can you explain it so I can have a better understanding of it all.

 Johnny

Solve Student Debt specializes in solutions for students and graduates in student loan default, and those at risk of defaulting.

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Hello Johnny,

sorry for not getting back to you to follow up on your reply email. Situations have become tense for me over the last half week. Thankfully nothing to do with a collection agent but it did involve reformatting my HD and trying to retain data. Considering my line of "work" it is always a frustrating and humbling experience.

Oh, and the reason I haven't contacted you directly is that my wife, who is willing not to divorce me over my student loans does not want me to pursue any course of action without her consent. Seems I've broken a lot of peoples' trust. Anyways, to my SL situation.

I had 4 SLs. 2 Bank shark ones, and 2 government ones. Last year one of the Bank shark ones went into collections with NCO. Totally my fault, I suppose, since the Bank contacted me over the course of 4 months trying to get things on track. Didn't happen and so, long story short, NCO wants their $5k. I run around like a chicken and end up borrowing $4k from my parents to pay them off. By the way, still haven't received a release letter for that one yet.

Fast forward.

Second Bank shark loan gets flipped to NCO end of January. My last payment was late August, no contact from the Bank people is charge of it even though I attempt to on a couple of occasions to get it on PAP. My fault, I thought it was handled in August, didn't check up on them as we were buried in utility bills and the like for quite a while. This second Bank shark loan is for a lot more, over $14k. Oh, I received the NCO letter saying I owed them $16k. When I asked why it was almost $2k more than it was on my last Scotiabank loan statement they said some uncomprehensible goop about daily interest and stuff. Not enough for me to be able to figure it out, anyways. Scared pantsless I gave them permission to duck me $300 as a sign of "good faith". I was going to use that money to catch up interest on the loan but it got flipped to NCO first. Well all around I feel pretty stupid.

Forward to Present.
My last call from "Tanya Rose" was on Friday. Basically got hung up on when I asked for her License number. She knows that all she's going to get this month is $100. She told me I can't pay it to the bank directly but should set up NCO as a bill payment. Really, I don't believe a word she says now, but don't know if she may be right. I think I'm going to request all future correspondence to be by mail. I want hard copy of what is said.

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I know my credit is shot. I am going to pay off these retarded loans. My wife and family have suffered more than enough for these burdens and are expecting to suffer until we are dead. That bothers me more than the collections agents. The reason I said that I was luckier than most is that we own a home that has increased drastically in value due to our location.  That's our ace. Unfortunately, until we can play that ace I have to "fend" off the collections agents. And then once the loans are paid, make sure they stay away. Too many horror stories of loans paid getting double dipped by these credit vultures.

I hope this makes some sense and I didn't bore everyone to death.
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lugarou,

Your story makes much sense.  Isn't NCO lovely???  My friends, too!

About your wife....that's good....my husband and I make the decisions together too!  Consent from the wife is good  

I'm looking at 4-5 years to pay the HRDC, then hopefully with the bank portion ....  I don't know....another 4-5 yrs until I can settle it....There is no way my kids are going to suffer this like I have!  They will know about student loan hell and make INFORMED decisions about student loans (but I'm hoping they will work their little tushies off so they don't have to utter those words--student loans). 

 

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Thanks, kwelmm.

It eats me up daily that my wife sold her hopes and dreams to support me and my Stupid Loans. Even though she tries to be brave and pragmatic about it, I can see the misery and despair that she lives with.

Oh well, enough whimpering.
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Hello,

2001, I completed a BSW and finished with 36k of debt.

I am new here and I am still trying to digest all the information  that has been posted. Also, there seems to be a lot from Ontario... Any specific information to BC?

I think that the federal decision about being able to include a SL in a bankruptcy is still on hold? Any new info for April?

I have a Federal, a provincial and a Canada SL and as of Friday April 1st, they are now all defaulted... One is in collection with Allied, and two are still with RBC, in default, and "they" want to make arrangement for payments to the principle only... With an R9 Rating...

I have a provincial government job, but with being a single parent and the cost of living in this town, (Squamish), I am having some obvious difficulty keeping current...

Help?

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 Don't put your hopes in bankruptcy, and the notion that it will make your problems go away. 

 Examine all of your options first. Believe me, there are ways. You are certainly not alone in this. Most of who are in default are in the same predicament as you in relation to affordability and sustainability.

 If you require assistance let me know. Otherwise, I wish you the best of luck!

 

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Tel: (902) 464-8727
 

 

 

  

 

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Mesonic,

Fellow law student would like to chat. Please email me at veedonfleece123@hotmail.com

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