This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities have been forced to cancel programs and layoff hundreds if not thousands of full-time and contract instructors.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment.


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    Posted: 25/November/2004 at 2:26pm

hi,

I was living in Australia for a 7 years (dual resident) and had to come back to Canada as my father was suddenly ill.

I needed money to get back fast. I had organised a bank loan for $15,000 previous for other things, plus i had 2 Mastercard credit cards total ($8000) owing.

Since being back my father passed away from his illness and i realised i have been away for too bloody long! I dont want to leave my family and go back...so i have quit my government job in Australia.

i have used most of this money to relocate (start over), find a cheap car, and i am currently still looking for a job (not easy)...and until i get resettled i cannot afford the monthly repayments and interest.

I would like to pay back one day...but wish to get established first...

Can Banks from Overseas take me to court for this money? Will this make a mess of my credit rating here in Canada??? (previous to this last year i have never had a debt in my life so i'm scared)

Will collection agencies try to locate me or my family here?

Any info is greatly appreciated! Thank you!!!

 

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Gee, I hope that you didn't mistake this website for a support group for those who want practical advice on how to defraud banks.

May be you ought to try www.ripoffandsteal.com

However, on a practical note, your ethical sense should qualify you for a government position here in Canada. Or maybe as a collector for one of the 3rd party collection agencies.

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i have been paying my payments each month...I have two choices - i go back to my job in Australia, or i stay and try to make a life here. But, to relocate means i now have a huge financial burden on my hands. So i'm not yet sure what to do.

Yes i worked a govenment agency overseas (hard to get in Canada)...I am working class, pay high taxes, never even had a speeding ticket before...

My topic is valid, and i didnt premeditate for this to take place.

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So you borrowed money and your major concern is that you'll have a financial burden. That's the way obligations work.

One doesn't accept a large obligation and then decide whether they would be happier paying it off or screwing the lender.

The people on this site aren't looking for ways to f**k the lenders over. You are.

The people on this site WANT to meet their obligations and are looking for ways to do that in the face of fraud, incompetence and theft on the part of the people who made them false promises and empty guarantees and keep changing the rules to their disadvantage.

You on the other hand just think it would be less of a burden to rip someone off than to honour your word.

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I just posted to try to get some insight. I haven't ripped any lender off. I'm just looking for a way to make ends meet right now. Most of all I am curious what can happen if i default on my payments - things might mess up with my trying to get re-established here.

I am aware Canadian Student loans (via banking institutions) are changing for the worst. I did pay back my Canadian student loan while overseas...and yes it was difficult to do!! However, i had full-time work and was in a better position to do so. Right now i am struggling finding a job etc...in the future i wish to have no debt as i am a dual citizen and worked my ass off to get this.

So you can think what you wish. Thank you for your comments.

Good advice regarding Student Loan Debt though...it will catch up with these people if you mess with the Government. Not to mention passport restrictions, etc...NOT a good idea.

 

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Whatever, Karl. Nothing personal.

Maybe someone else in this forum would like to help you screw the people who gave you credit (even just until you feel it isn't a burden repay their money., if that day ever comes).

I'll help people who have been screwed by the lender and their hired thugs. That's a different species entirely.

I make no moral judgments on you. I just don't care to participate.

Good luck. The government and the banks have openings for applicants with your ethical flexibility.

Anybody out there want to help this guy?

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karl_00,

If your still here after that tongue lashing,

IF you are,

your credit status in another country will not effect your credit status here. It will  be tough to establish credit here without some previous credit continuity, potential lenders may ask to see what you had for credit in Australia.

collecters/lenders probably will track you down 23k in loans is probably worth executing every avenue of repayment to them and master card is international so Im sure they would have some nasty tricks up there sleeves.

From what I have read of your posts you sound like you would/will repay and I dont believe there is much of a difference between hiding from a finance agreement on a beach,under a rock or on the moon. so I will offer my advice

My Advice to you would be to get in contact with your creditors , explain your situation, structure and interm repayment plan, suggest interest only. or what you can afford they will and can negotiate, be persistant . remember you will hold all the cards in this deck.....but most of all continue to pay something

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hmmm...i see now where you are coming from.

I think with you its how the story is told. I think i caught you off guard with my "working for the government"...because you can't seem to get past it. This shows bias. 

I feel sorry for the person you "helped" to believe it is justified to run off and live in greener pastures then to worry about a student loan hanging over their head -this person may change their mind and want to return to Canada one day...what will your advice be then?

I think giving people unbiased opinions is what should happen in this forum. I tried to explain my situation and was barked at! It may look bad on my part - but you don't know me (even though you have clearly judged me by my past employment).

i'm sure people will thank you when it kicks them in ass. Thats right folks - the government and lenders are all evil - blah blah blah...

 

 

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Thanks Troy,

This is the info i was after...cheers!

 

 

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Gee, Karl, are you ever missing the point! I couldn't care less that you are or were or would like to be a government employee. I don't make blanket condemnations of government people.

I did and I do however, question the ethics of someone who burns up a credit card and a personal loan, goes to visit family, decides they like it there better, so asks us to help them beat the people who lent them the money for the trip. Then they tell us it's just a tad inconvenient or a rather heavy burden to pay back as agreed, so how can I screw them?

This forum is populated by people who were sold a bill of goods. Through no fault of their own they found themselves without the means to pay back an enormous debt they were conned into assuming and then treated illegally, immorally and have had their lives destroyed despite making every effort to meet the burden. They just want a semblance of a life, a token amount of dignity and an opportunity to participate in the human race again.

On the other hand you have checked out a few places and decided you want to live in one on the other side of the world from where you were making a good living. You had everything these people want so desperately to have a chance to earn for themselves and are looking for our help to defraud the people who financed your trip here.

Great. Maybe someone here will help you. IThere are more deserving candidates for my largesse. But don't tell me that I've judged you based on your occupation or anything other than your inclination to want us to help you f**k someone over.

Sorry. I've been screwed by too many institutions and individuals to make it a habit to screw others.

I hope you like it in Canada. Cheers.

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karl

you have an obligation to repay your debts.  i suggest you contact your lenders and work something out.

many of us will have difficulty sympathising with a person who has quit a well paying job and racked up a considerable debt jumping across the ocean with no job lined up to pay for it.  being a government employee has nothing to do with it - it just sounds irresponsible.  no one cares if you were a fireman or a telemarketer or a hot dog vendor, fact is you chose to quit your well paying job after accumulating a substantial debt and are crying about having no money to start a new life.  sorry, that probably sounds a bit harsh, but you're a big boy and i'm sure you can take a little criticism.

you are a dual resident.  this means they can track you from australia.  likely you paid for your flight using a credit card, which makes it really easy for them to track you if you try and hide.  etc.  be assured they WILL track youdown for 30K.  and troy is right, mastercard IS international and they will find you, faster than you think.

you paid off your sutdent loans.  congrats.  you are making monthly payments on your other debts.  good.  continue your payments and contact your lenders.  you have been responsible all your life, don't start screwing up now.

you lived in australia for seven years.  what if you decide you want to return ??  what about the pension contributions etc you have made in australia ??  what about your lease and your possessions ??  i think you have some serious decisions to make in where you want to live and what you have to do to make it happen.

grieve for your loss, certainly.  take some time to think about your future, and where you want to be.  contact your lenders and explain things to them, they may be more sympathetic than you think.  but you have to contact them to see where you stand.

not that its any of my business, but last time i checked flights from australia to canada were in the 4500 dollar range.  if you were coming to see your father, what did you need the other 25K for ???  and did you book your flight one way or return ?

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I am reading that Karl is feeling home-sick, and wants to be with loved ones rather than in a foreign land with absolutely no roots. Yes, I am also reading that he has a serious decision to make financially. I don't think that missing loved-ones and returning to them is the wrong thing to do ... but I agree with Islander that looking for ways to dodge debt is the wrong thing to do. Karl is it a crossroads. It is clearly evident. Is not a sacrifice, it is a decision that he has to make. 

 I think what Karl needs to do is decide what he is going do - and then take responsibility for whichever consequence may occur as a result of his decision. Preparation, communication, and willingness t5o do the right thing. Karl, you know what the right thing to do is.

 If Karl were to visit a lawyer, what advice do you think he would be given? You and I both know, Islander. 

 Cargo has certainly offered karl everythjng he needs in his last paragraph. That is the best darn advice anyone could offer.

 SO, this is for you, Karl. LOOK FOR A WAY AND NOT A WAY OUT.  

 

 

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Johnny, a lawyer would advise Jeffrey Dahmer on a way to walk away with a charge of improper storage of perishable materials.

Thank God for Karl. Without him we would have been floundering around helping one another deal with the horrors of deception, fraud and incompetence in the area of Canadian Student Debt. He has straightened us out. We are here to provide people without morals an education on how to steal without getting caught.

Was anybody else under the impression that our obligation on this website was to give seminars on credit card fraud? When did we become a resource for deadbeats who want to screw  those who trusted them?

Pay your bills. How's that for the best damn advice anybody could give? When you're a victim of theft and not a thief, come and ask for help. I'll be here.

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Karl...I think the reason you got the tongue lashing is because this forum is populated with people who DON'T have choices. Their forms were lost...administrative mistakes were made...layoffs occurred...illness...etc. These people are living in poverty, trying to feed children, pay the rent, find a job and not go crazy from daily phone calls from collection agents that accuse them of being criminals and deadbeats...and worse. The government won't listen...the banks won't listen...the press...nobody.

You have a choice: to stay in Australia and pay your loan, then move back to Canada. You may be homesick, but why do you have to move now? What is the hurry? Canada isn't going anywhere.

Be patient...you'll get what you want.

Which is more than most of us will.

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 We are not talking about Jeffrey Dahmer, Islander.  

 Islander, this site does not teach people how to avoid responsibility. It teached people about rights and freedoms.

 I sense your anger in your postings. So, I will challenge it - without any disrespect to you what so ever....

 No one here promotes nor conducts seminars on educating people how to avoid repsonsibility. Now, if you go back and actually READ the advice given to Karl from Cargo, you will understand ..or so I would think. That is helpful. It is common sense and that is the BEST ADVICE even if someone has to remind someone of that.

 Islander, I honestly do not know if you are being facetious, or maybe a little disgruntled about something I said. Now, with all due respect, I honestly hope you are not going to treat me like a pickle or mersan.

 But if you need a puching bag to unleash some of whatever you got going on there.... feel welcome.

   

 

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 Poly,

 That is so true. Just like the Rolling Stones say ...

 "You can't always get what you want ...but if you try sometimes, you just might find you get what you need"

 

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That wasn't a shot at you, Johnny. That was a shot at what  a lawyer's advice is worth.

And I agree with any advice that has to do with solving the problem according to the assurances made by either party when the debt was assumed.

My only objection is to those who don't believe in honouring their word. That applies to those who lend as well as to those who borrow.

I have nothing but respect for you Johnny. The Dahmer reference was only because it seemed apt when referring to conscienceless lawyers and the fact that you referenced our favourite serial killer when seeing BC's Preem' best publicity still as Danny's avatar.

Drop in any time. Seriously; the place is great for a vacation.

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If I may, I don't see how this is any different from a student loan. Karl finds himself in a rough spot, he's made a personal decision to leave Australia, and he has heaps of debt that likely can't be serviced right now. Moreover, some of this debt is high risk and Karl is paying probably over 15% annual interest. Sound like a familiar story to anyone here?

Debt is debt, be it student loans, credit cards, personal loans. There is risk involved for the bank and responsibility on the part of the borrower. In Karl's situation, something happened--a family crisis-- and he couldn't keep up with the bills. Give him a break from your double standards, Islander.

 

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My question to Islander then would be? (Im prepared for the tongue lashing)

Is there any real difference between someone hiding on a beach from from s/l creditors, with the Idea of maybe one day paying back the institution.Or a guy who borrows money and uses to get home to his family with the intentions of maybe one day paying the loan back.

I never once in any of the post read were he asked for advice to start defrauding his lender. what he did ask was for advice on how to remain in canada and still be able live a normal life while he figured out how to repay his lender.

In both examples both parties orginally borrowed the money with long term plans.

this last qoute is a double edged sword

 "Was anybody else under the impression that our obligation on this website was to give seminars on credit card fraud? When did we become a resource for deadbeats who want to screw  those who trusted them?"

would it not be promoting fraud to suggest to fellow posters to pack up your belongs move to some far away place and f**k the people who screwed you...just a question

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zafire,

very well said

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